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[tw] [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-16 11:21:20 UTC
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Hi all,

Taking advantage of the new features of 5.1.5, I have created a set of
plugins called BottomTabs. The basic one is a multipurpose combination of
tools. And it can be extended with extra plugins for doing specific things.
One of them is for academic readings (TW for Scholars
<http://tw5.scholars.tiddlyspot.com/> reloaded).

The basic tools and features are already there, but the rough edges must be
polished and the documentation written.

Plugins here: bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com

Regards,
Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2014-12-16 12:22:47 UTC
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Wow... http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com

This is beautiful and a pleasure to browse, Alberto!

With a bit of searching I even found the bottom tabs. :)

I played a bit with the css that will hopefully stop the buttons from
shuffling around.

Give it a try (amongst others, I gave the buttons a min-width of 45 which
won't have them jump with up to 2-digit numbers)...

*title: $:/plugins/amp/BT/css/BottomTabs/tabs*

.bottom-tabs {
margin: 0px 0px -42px 0px;
}

.tc-tab-divider {
display: none;
}

.tc-tiddler-controls .close-tabs {
position: relative;
bottom: -3px;
}

.bottom-tabs div.tc-tab-buttons {
text-align: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/position/$:/plugins/amp/BT}};
padding: 0px 0px 14px 0px;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button{
min-width:45px;
display:inline-block;
font-size:12px;
text-align:center;
border-radius: 10px 10px 0px 0px;
box-shadow: 2px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button:not(.tc-tab-selected):hover {
color: <<color foreground>>;
background: transparent;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 16px;
margin-top:-5px;
}


.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button.tc-tab-selected {
color: <<color foreground>>;
background-color: <<color background>>;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 16px;
padding-bottom:6px;
margin-bottom: -4px;
box-shadow: 2px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons.blue button.tc-tab-selected {
background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##blue}};
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons.red button.tc-tab-selected {
background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##red}};
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons.yellow button.tc-tab-selected {
background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT
##yellow}};
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-buttons button:not(.tc-tab-selected) {
background-color: <<color background>>;
color: #c0c0c0;
border-left: <<color background>>;
border-right: <<color background>>;
border-top: <<color background>>;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content {
margin: -14px -42px 0px -42px;
padding: 14px 42px 14px 42px;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content.blue {
background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##blue}};
border-top: 1px solid <<colour tiddler-info-border>>;
border-bottom: 1px solid <<colour tiddler-info-border>>;
box-shadow: 1px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content.red {
background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT##red}};
border-top: 1px solid <<colour tiddler-info-border>>;
border-bottom: 1px solid <<colour tiddler-info-border>>;
box-shadow: 1px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

.bottom-tabs .tc-tab-content.yellow {
background-color: {{$:/config/BottomTabs/colors/$:/plugins/amp/BT
##yellow}};
border-top: 1px solid <<colour tiddler-info-border>>;
border-bottom: 1px solid <<colour tiddler-info-border>>;
box-shadow: 1px 2px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
}

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-16 13:51:12 UTC
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Hi Tomas,

Wow... http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com
Post by Tobias Beer
This is beautiful and a pleasure to browse, Alberto!
Thanks!

I played a bit with the css that will hopefully stop the buttons from
Post by Tobias Beer
shuffling around.
Shuffling around? Do you mean they move in some way? I didn't see that,
maybe a browser problem (I' m under Ubuntu + Firefox, Chrome,
TiddlyDesktop).

Give it a try (amongst others, I gave the buttons a min-width of 45 which
Post by Tobias Beer
won't have them jump with up to 2-digit numbers)...
Thanks a lot! It gave it a try and the min width is a good idea, but 45
looks like excessive to me (see picture), so I changed it to 25. Is it okay
seen from your browser?

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-16 14:13:45 UTC
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Oops: Tobias (not Thomas) sorry!

I played a bit with the css that will hopefully stop the buttons from
Post by Alberto Molina
Post by Tobias Beer
shuffling around.
Shuffling around? Do you mean they move in some way? I didn't see that,
maybe a browser problem (I' m under Ubuntu + Firefox, Chrome,
TiddlyDesktop).
Give it a try (amongst others, I gave the buttons a min-width of 45 which
Post by Tobias Beer
won't have them jump with up to 2-digit numbers)...
Thanks a lot! It gave it a try and the min width is a good idea, but 45
looks like excessive to me (see picture), so I changed it to 25. Is it okay
seen from your browser?
Second thought: it could be related to the screen resolution. Do you have a
hi-res screen? (Mine is 1300x800)

Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2014-12-16 14:25:00 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

Glad to see you finally decided to move your customizations into plugins.
They really turn TW into a valuable tool for those scenarios your plugins
are aimed for. I would love to see different editions or a more general
one. I'm horrible giving hierarchy to things and organizing topics, so I'm
afraid I can not adapt your plugins to fit my own scenarios (mostly
technical knowledge). I really envy your ability to built this.

A small suggestion, in order to avoid this
Type the text for the tiddler '$:/temp/title'

You can define a default value for that field on the edit-text widget. So
if you write it like this
<$edit-text tag="input" default="" placeholder="title"/>
It will be prettier.

Regards.
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-17 11:33:21 UTC
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Hi Danielo,

Glad to see you finally decided to move your customizations into plugins.
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
They really turn TW into a valuable tool for those scenarios your plugins
are aimed for. I would love to see different editions or a more general one.
Yes, the idea is to have different editions for different use cases, packed
as extra plugins to the basic one.
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
I'm horrible giving hierarchy to things and organizing topics, so I'm
afraid I can not adapt your plugins to fit my own scenarios (mostly
technical knowledge). I really envy your ability to built this.
The basic usecase is the ability to add comments to your tiddlers, and to
see other related tiddlers throught the fields "about", "parent" and
"source" which could be used for instance for documentation of your
technical knowledge tw.
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
A small suggestion, in order to avoid this
Type the text for the tiddler '$:/temp/title'
You can define a default value for that field on the edit-text widget. So
if you write it like this
<$edit-text tag="input" default="" placeholder="title"/>
It will be prettier.
Thanks! I didn't know how to avoid this behaviour.

Regards,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-17 11:35:29 UTC
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@Tobias

I've seen your other changes to the stylesheet. I'm not sure to understand
everything (for I'm not fluent in css) but it looks good. Thanks a lot!

Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2014-12-18 17:32:14 UTC
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hi Alberto,
Post by Alberto Molina
I've seen your other changes to the stylesheet. I'm not sure to understand
everything (for I'm not fluent in css) but it looks good. Thanks a lot!
Not sure how it works for you and if it's related to my zoomed view.
By the way, why is it that I cannot change the zoomlevel when viewing your
site? It seems stuck at my default 150%.

To me your bottom bar is rendered such that when I hover an icon, at least
those to the left of it also move around, shifting left.
This made the experience a "jumpy one" for me, hence my suggested css.

Also, I need to learn more how you've implemented those contextually
changing bottom bars.
(Haven't yet looked at the code).

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Tobias Beer
2014-12-18 17:33:50 UTC
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Post by Tobias Beer
To me your bottom bar is rendered such that when I hover an icon, at least
those to the left of it also move around, shifting left.
This made the experience a "jumpy one" for me, hence my suggested css.
You can, perhaps, see what I mean by hovering left <> right over the bar...
and see the other icons jump, rather than just the currently hovered one
being magnyfied.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
2014-12-20 11:22:59 UTC
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Hi Alberto:


I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I
could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
What Iáž¿ doing wrong?

Best wishes, Emilio
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi all,
Taking advantage of the new features of 5.1.5, I have created a set of
plugins called BottomTabs. The basic one is a multipurpose combination of
tools. And it can be extended with extra plugins for doing specific things.
One of them is for academic readings (TW for Scholars
<http://tw5.scholars.tiddlyspot.com/> reloaded).
The basic tools and features are already there, but the rough edges must
be polished and the documentation written.
Plugins here: bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com
Regards,
Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-22 11:25:32 UTC
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Hi Emilio,

I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I
Post by Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
What Iáž¿ doing wrong?
1. After creating the author, open its tiddler. You should see the tabs
bar at the bottom right of the tiddler. One of them is the publications tab.
2. Inside the publications tab, there's a plus (+) button on the right .
Click the button. You should see a form to fill with authors, title, date,
etc.
3. Choose between book and article by clicking on it.
4. When you start writing the title, the "add" button for creating the
book/article should appear at the bottom of the form.
5. Fill all the fields you want and click the "add" button.

It works for me. Tell me of its OK for you.

Another thing. If you want an empty tiddlywiki with my plugins, install
them from bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com.

Saludos,

Alberto
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Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
2014-12-23 00:15:01 UTC
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Hi Alberto:

I followed each step from 1 to 5, after making click on add button, the
tiddler -publication-, opens in draft mode, I click on the tick to close
it. The publication tiddler is there, but 'nada' no title, or increment on
publications on author tiddler.???.

Thanks y saludos.

Emilio
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi Emilio,
I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I
Post by Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
What Iáž¿ doing wrong?
1. After creating the author, open its tiddler. You should see the
tabs bar at the bottom right of the tiddler. One of them is the
publications tab.
2. Inside the publications tab, there's a plus (+) button on the right
. Click the button. You should see a form to fill with authors, title,
date, etc.
3. Choose between book and article by clicking on it.
4. When you start writing the title, the "add" button for creating the
book/article should appear at the bottom of the form.
5. Fill all the fields you want and click the "add" button.
It works for me. Tell me of its OK for you.
Another thing. If you want an empty tiddlywiki with my plugins, install
them from bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com.
Saludos,
Alberto
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Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
2014-12-23 00:23:40 UTC
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Hi Alberto:

I followed each step from 1 to 5, after making click on add button, the
tiddler -publication-, opens in draft mode, I click on the tick to close
it. The publication tiddler is there, but 'nada' no title, or increment on
publications on author tiddler.???.

Thanks y saludos.

Emilio
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi Emilio,
I downloaded wikiphilo to tray your plugins. Create a new author but I
Post by Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
could not add a publication, the same for an existing author.
What Iáž¿ doing wrong?
1. After creating the author, open its tiddler. You should see the
tabs bar at the bottom right of the tiddler. One of them is the
publications tab.
2. Inside the publications tab, there's a plus (+) button on the right
. Click the button. You should see a form to fill with authors, title,
date, etc.
3. Choose between book and article by clicking on it.
4. When you start writing the title, the "add" button for creating the
book/article should appear at the bottom of the form.
5. Fill all the fields you want and click the "add" button.
It works for me. Tell me of its OK for you.
Another thing. If you want an empty tiddlywiki with my plugins, install
them from bottomtabs.tiddlyspot.com.
Saludos,
Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-23 14:58:48 UTC
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Hi Emilio,

You're right, it's a bug. Thanks for reporting!

I'm going to look what happened and upload the correction.

Regards,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-24 10:56:46 UTC
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Hi Emilio and all,
Post by Alberto Molina
You're right, it's a bug. Thanks for reporting!
I'm going to look what happened and upload the correction.
The big ugly big has been killed :)

Actually, there was several problems, one affecting the "new publication
button" which didn't create the authors field, and another affecting the
"publications tab" which was not properly rewritten.

Thanks for reporting the bug, and keep reporting if you find others.

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2014-12-31 12:30:25 UTC
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Hi all,

The buttons for creating new publications and new quotes were not working
well. The problems identified are now fixed. (But other problems might
remain.)

Regards,

Alberto
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Emilio Rincón-Gallardo
2014-12-31 21:29:27 UTC
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Hi Alberto:

There is no add button in the chapter form....

Saludos
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi all,
The buttons for creating new publications and new quotes were not working
well. The problems identified are now fixed. (But other problems might
remain.)
Regards,
Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-01 11:53:43 UTC
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Hi Emilio,

Yes, the button hasn't been created yet. Thanks for reporting.

Saludos,

Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-09 08:35:41 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

I'm using your plugin to create the material for a course I will teach. I
want to know how can I add custom ways of link things. For example, what is
considered Children of a tiddler? How can I configure the fields at the
forms? Is there any way to add tiddlers under a topic?

Thank you for your help and thank you for this plugin.

Regards.
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Hi Emilio,
Yes, the button hasn't been created yet. Thanks for reporting.
Saludos,
Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-09 18:46:29 UTC
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Hi Danielo,

I am currently working on a new version of the plugin, with less bugs,
better features, and much easier to customize. Its not yet finished but
usable enough. I just uploaded it so you can take advantage of the
customization enhancements: magictabs.tiddlyspot.com

I'm using your plugin to create the material for a course I will teach.




I'm glad you find it useful. Unfortunately, the plugin for teachers is in a
very early phase of development, so there's not much features.
I want to know how can I add custom ways of link things. For example, what
is considered Children of a tiddler?
The field "parent" is just a way to categorize your contents, you can use
it as you wish. There's no restriction.
For example, if you teach spanish, then "Grammar" is a parent of "Verbs",
and "Verbs" a parent of "Imperative".
And if you teach informatics, "Javascript" is a child of "programming
language", or a child of "prototype-based scripting language".
How can I configure the fields at the forms?
In order to better explain myself (and not spending hours figuring out how
to write it in english) I'm going to continue in spanish. But I promise to
write the documentation in english later on.

En español. Imagino que lo que quieres hacer es adaptar las tablas para lo
que tú necesites. Yo traté de dividir las tablas en sus elementos
constitutivos, de modo que cada campo (título, etiquetas, texto, acerca de,
etc.) está en un tiddler diferente. De ese modo puedo reutilizarlos
independientemente uno de otro para hacer tablas diferentes. Por ejemplo el
campo "about" está en el tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/input/about

Además, están como macros globales, de modo que si escribes <<inputAbout>>
en cualquier tiddler, te aparece el trozo de tabla correspondiente. En la
mayoría de los campos hay tres variables que puedes configurar: el "label",
el tiddler temporal que usas para almacenar los datos, y el campo que
editas. Las variables "label" y "field" se pueden meter directamente en la
macro:
<<inputAbout label:"Acerca de" field:"about">>

En cambio, el tiddler temporal se define desde fuera (porque dentro aparece
como $(tempTiddler)$:
<$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">

<<inputAbout label:"Acerca de" field:"about">>

</$set>

En algunos sólo se puede cambiar el tempTiddler (tendré que hacerlo para
todos cuando tenga tiempo):
<$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">

<<inputDescription>>

</$set>

En algunos también se pueden definir "placeholder" y otras cosas, pero es
mejor verlo directamente en el tiddler correspondiente. Todos empiezan por
$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/
Is there any way to add tiddlers under a topic?
No entiendo muy bien lo que quieres decir. A cualquier tiddler se le pueden
añadir comentarios, notas, etc., y todos los tiddlers que estén
relacionados con éste aparecerán abajo en las pestañas correspondientes.
Por ejemplo, si tengo un tiddler "Catedral de Salamanca", puedo añadirle
comentarios, notas y más cosas que sólo aparecerán ahí porque tienen los
campos "about: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]" o "source: Catedral de Salamanca"
o "parent: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]".

Si además a tu tiddler le asignas un tipo, con la etiqueta
"$:/type/arquitectura", entonces puedes añadirle pestañas específicas a ese
tipo. Por ejemplo, debajo de cada tiddler con la etiqueta
"$:/type/arquitectura" puedo tener las pestañas "Fotos", "Elementos
destacados", "Técnicas constructivas".

Ahora es más fácil crear nuevas pestañas. Basta con clonar el patrón
($:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab) y rellenar los campos que quieras,
especialmente:

- *contents.tag:* ahí indicas la etiqueta de los tiddlers que quieres
que aparezcan en la pestaña. Por ejemplo: "$:/type/comments",
"$:/type/journal", "tasks", etc.
- *list.filter*
- el filtro por defecto está definido
en $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabFilter como:
- [all[current]listed[source]] [all[current]listed[parent]] [all[current]listed[about]]
+[tag[$type$]]
- donde $type$ hace referencia al contenido de *contents.tag*
- Si rellenas el campo, se usará el filtro que tú definas.
- *list.heading*
- El nombre que aparece como título de la lista de tiddlers
- *list.template*
- El título del tiddler donde se encuentra el modelo para mostrar los
resultados de la lista. Si no indicas ninguno, aparecerán como simple lista.
- *add.content*
- El título del tiddler donde se encuentra el modelo de tiddler que
quieres crear, o bien la tabla+botón para añadir nuevos tiddlers.

<<tabCaption>> permite poner automaticamente el "caption" con el icono y el
contador de resultados.
<<tabContents>> permite mostrar automáticamente la(s) lista(s) de
resultados definidos en los campos list.filter, list.heading, etc.
<<inputSlider>> permite mostrar el botón "+" para añadir nuevos tiddlers.
El contenido de esta macro es el definido en add.content


Bueno, espero que sea suficiente para que te hagas una idea. Pero no dudes
en preguntarme si tienes más dudas.

Saludos,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-09 19:03:46 UTC
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By the way, three little things:

1. the new "MagicTabs" plugins adds a button in the sidebar to open a
very useful "dashboard" tiddler.
2. it is possible to tweak the plugin appearance under "Control panel" >
"Appearance" > "MagicTabs tweaks"
3. if you want to see the latest updates, check
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2rx1twq6aotnsr/AMP%20-%20dev.html?dl=0

I hope to publish soon (next week?) the version 0.0.2 after I add features
like the chapters button, and after I fix remaining bugs.

Regards,
alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-09 19:23:49 UTC
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While all this is really great stuff, I'm also a bit confused, Alberto.

If I look at...

*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/tabs/info*

...I see that it asks for a tagging list at the bottom

However, if I look at *William Shapespeare*,
there appears to be also that image tagging to it.
What is going on there?

I notice that there is...

*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/tags*

tagged *$:/tags/ViewTemplate *so that will add those "pseudo-tags"

But then...

*$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags*

...looks like an untagged shadow (fat link),
yet it doesn't have any *$:/tags/ViewTemplate* tag anymore?

Anyhow, I like how you've added more tiddlers to the taglist than actual
tags,
although that is indeed a bit confusing.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-09 23:27:13 UTC
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Hi Tobias,
Post by Tobias Beer
While all this is really great stuff, I'm also a bit confused, Alberto.
If I look at...
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/tabs/info*
...I see that it asks for a tagging list at the bottom
However, if I look at *William Shapespeare*,
there appears to be also that image tagging to it.
What is going on there?
I don't really understand your confusion. So ask me again if my answer is
miscarried.
The tab info shows three kinds of related tiddlers:

- "Children": those with fields *parent* or *source* pointing to the
current tiddler.
- "About": those with a field *about* pointing to the current tiddler.
- "Tagging": those *tagging* the current tiddler.

And the tiddler *Image: William Shakespeare* is in the second category
(about: William Shakespeare), not the third. And the tag you see on the
image tiddler is a pseudo-tag showing the content of the field *about*.
Post by Tobias Beer
I notice that there is...
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/tags*
tagged *$:/tags/ViewTemplate *so that will add those "pseudo-tags"
But then...
*$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags*
...looks like an untagged shadow (fat link),
yet it doesn't have any *$:/tags/ViewTemplate* tag anymore?
What I want to achieve is the following: when you install the plugin, the
shadow tiddler *$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* is disabled (i.e its
*$:/tags/ViewTemplate* tag removed) and
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/tags* takes its place adding the
pseudo-tags.

The only way I found to do that was to include
*$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* with the tag removed as a shadow tiddler of
my plugin. If there's a better way to remove a tag when installing a
plugin, please let me know.


Anyhow, I like how you've added more tiddlers to the taglist than actual
Post by Tobias Beer
tags,
I like how tags are displayed like colored pills, and I wanted to get the
same for the contents of more meaningful fields like *parent*, *source*,
and *about*.
Post by Tobias Beer
although that is indeed a bit confusing.
I'm not sure myself of what I'm doing.



Thanks for your remarks,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-09 23:28:08 UTC
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Hi Tobias,
Post by Tobias Beer
While all this is really great stuff, I'm also a bit confused, Alberto.
If I look at...
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/tabs/info*
...I see that it asks for a tagging list at the bottom
However, if I look at *William Shapespeare*,
there appears to be also that image tagging to it.
What is going on there?
I don't really understand your confusion. So ask me again if my answer is
miscarried.
The tab info shows three kinds of related tiddlers:

- "Children": those with fields *parent* or *source* pointing to the
current tiddler.
- "About": those with a field *about* pointing to the current tiddler.
- "Tagging": those *tagging* the current tiddler.

And the tiddler *Image: William Shakespeare* is in the second category
(about: William Shakespeare), not the third. And the tag you see on the
image tiddler is a pseudo-tag showing the content of the field *about*.
Post by Tobias Beer
I notice that there is...
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/tags*
tagged *$:/tags/ViewTemplate *so that will add those "pseudo-tags"
But then...
*$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags*
...looks like an untagged shadow (fat link),
yet it doesn't have any *$:/tags/ViewTemplate* tag anymore?
What I want to achieve is the following: when you install the plugin, the
shadow tiddler *$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* is disabled (i.e its
*$:/tags/ViewTemplate* tag removed) and
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/tags* takes its place adding the
pseudo-tags.

The only way I found to do that was to include
*$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags* with the tag removed as a shadow tiddler of
my plugin. If there's a better way to remove a tag when installing a
plugin, please let me know.


Anyhow, I like how you've added more tiddlers to the taglist than actual
Post by Tobias Beer
tags,
I like how tags are displayed like colored pills, and I wanted to get the
same for the contents of more meaningful fields like *parent*, *source*,
and *about*.
Post by Tobias Beer
although that is indeed a bit confusing.
I'm not sure myself of what I'm doing.

Thanks for your remarks,

Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-12 19:30:47 UTC
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Post by Alberto Molina
Hi Danielo,
I am currently working on a new version of the plugin, with less bugs,
better features, and much easier to customize. Its not yet finished but
usable enough. I just uploaded it so you can take advantage of the
customization enhancements: magictabs.tiddlyspot.com
But this is not compatible with the previous version right?
Post by Alberto Molina
I'm glad you find it useful. Unfortunately, the plugin for teachers is in
a very early phase of development, so there's not much features.
Well, I don't want to use it as a teacher, but to give the students a good
material where they can take notes and ideas.
Post by Alberto Molina
The field "parent" is just a way to categorize your contents, you can use
it as you wish. There's no restriction.
But I did not find any button or field to "automatically" create a new
tiddler as a child.
Post by Alberto Molina
In order to better explain myself (and not spending hours figuring out how
to write it in english) I'm going to continue in spanish. But I promise to
write the documentation in english later on.
En español. Imagino que lo que quieres hacer es adaptar las tablas para lo
que tú necesites. Yo traté de dividir las tablas en sus elementos
constitutivos, de modo que cada campo (título, etiquetas, texto, acerca de,
etc.) está en un tiddler diferente. De ese modo puedo reutilizarlos
independientemente uno de otro para hacer tablas diferentes. Por ejemplo el
campo "about" está en el tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/input/about
Nice to hear that. I miss the forms at the sidebar to add new tiddlers of
each type. Are they still there?
Post by Alberto Molina
Además, están como macros globales, de modo que si escribes <<inputAbout>>
en cualquier tiddler, te aparece el trozo de tabla correspondiente. En la
mayoría de los campos hay tres variables que puedes configurar: el "label",
el tiddler temporal que usas para almacenar los datos, y el campo que
editas. Las variables "label" y "field" se pueden meter directamente en la
<<inputAbout label:"Acerca de" field:"about">>
En cambio, el tiddler temporal se define desde fuera (porque dentro
<$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">
<<inputAbout label:"Acerca de" field:"about">>
</$set>
En algunos sólo se puede cambiar el tempTiddler (tendré que hacerlo para
<$set name="tempTiddler" value="$:/temp/foo">
<<inputDescription>>
</$set>
En algunos también se pueden definir "placeholder" y otras cosas, pero es
mejor verlo directamente en el tiddler correspondiente. Todos empiezan por
$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/forms/
This is very powerful. Maybe you can use this small explanation to add it
to the documentation.
Post by Alberto Molina
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
Is there any way to add tiddlers under a topic?
No entiendo muy bien lo que quieres decir. A cualquier tiddler se le
pueden añadir comentarios, notas, etc., y todos los tiddlers que estén
relacionados con éste aparecerán abajo en las pestañas correspondientes.
Por ejemplo, si tengo un tiddler "Catedral de Salamanca", puedo añadirle
comentarios, notas y más cosas que sólo aparecerán ahí porque tienen los
campos "about: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]" o "source: Catedral de Salamanca"
o "parent: [[Catedral de Salamanca]]".
Esto lo has entendido más en otro post.
Si además a tu tiddler le asignas un tipo, con la etiqueta
"$:/type/arquitectura", entonces puedes añadirle pestañas específicas a ese
tipo. Por ejemplo, debajo de cada tiddler con la etiqueta
"$:/type/arquitectura" puedo tener las pestañas "Fotos", "Elementos
destacados", "Técnicas constructivas".
No termino de ver claro cómo añadir nuevas pestañas. Ok, creo un tiddler y
le pongo una tag que empieze con $:/type/algo, pero luego dónde defino las
tabs? Dónde aparecerán esas tabs? En todos los tiddlers?
Post by Alberto Molina
Ahora es más fácil crear nuevas pestañas. Basta con clonar el patrón
($:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab) y rellenar los campos que quieras,
Con ahora te refieres a la última versión que estás desarollando o también
incluye la anterior?
Post by Alberto Molina
- *contents.tag:* ahí indicas la etiqueta de los tiddlers que quieres
que aparezcan en la pestaña. Por ejemplo: "$:/type/comments",
"$:/type/journal", "tasks", etc.
Ok, creo que esto está relacionado con la pregunta anterior en la que te
preguntaba cómo definir tabs, pero creo que se me escapa algo.
Post by Alberto Molina
Bueno, espero que sea suficiente para que te hagas una idea. Pero no dudes
en preguntarme si tienes más dudas.
Muchas gracias!
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-13 02:24:22 UTC
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Hi Danielo,
Post by Alberto Molina
I am currently working on a new version of the plugin, with less bugs,
Post by Alberto Molina
better features, and much easier to customize. Its not yet finished but
usable enough. I just uploaded it so you can take advantage of the
customization enhancements: magictabs.tiddlyspot.com
But this is not compatible with the previous version right?
No. There a two incompatibilities:

1. Tiddler names: all the tiddler names containing $:/
*/amp/BT/*
 have
changes to $:/
*/amp/MagicTabs/*
 I did the change using the
search/replace of a text editor.
2. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to
*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
- That affects also the macros <<tabContents>>, <<tabCaption>> and
<<inputSlider>>.
- But if you didn't create your own custom tabs, I think it should
not affect you.

Another problem is that the refactoring is not finished and I have not
tested enough, so MagicTabs could be atm even more buggy than BottomTabs.
Post by Alberto Molina
I'm glad you find it useful. Unfortunately, the plugin for teachers is in
Post by Alberto Molina
a very early phase of development, so there's not much features.
Well, I don't want to use it as a teacher, but to give the students a good
material where they can take notes and ideas.
Then the basic plugin could be enough since I added as default tabs:
comments, notes, ideas

Post by Alberto Molina
The field "parent" is just a way to categorize your contents, you can use
it as you wish. There's no restriction.
But I did not find any button or field to "automatically" create a new
tiddler as a child.
For the "parent" field, there's no button atm. But if you use the
form+button in the tabs to add a comment, a note, an idea, etc., it will
automatically be added as a child (through the fields "about" or "source")
in the info tab.


Nice to hear that. I miss the forms at the sidebar to add new tiddlers of
Post by Alberto Molina
each type. Are they still there?
No, there's only a button for adding people. Use instead the form+button
inside the tabs, or, if you want independent notes and ideas, use the
MagicTabs tiddler to add them. The other buttons have not been created so
far.
Post by Alberto Molina
This is very powerful. Maybe you can use this small explanation to add it
to the documentation.
After I finish v.0.2 of the plugin, I will dedicate v.0.3 to documentation.
New features moratorium :p
Post by Alberto Molina
No termino de ver claro cómo añadir nuevas pestañas. Ok, creo un tiddler
y le pongo una tag que empieze con $:/type/algo, pero luego dónde defino
las tabs? Dónde aparecerán esas tabs? En todos los tiddlers?
Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear
as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless
you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag
$:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and
magic tabs tweaks).

I explain how to create custom new types and tabs in 5 easy tabs here:
http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/



Ahora es más fácil crear nuevas pestañas. Basta con clonar el patrón
Post by Alberto Molina
Post by Alberto Molina
($:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab) y rellenar los campos que quieras,
Con ahora te refieres a la última versión que estás desarollando o también
incluye la anterior?
Yes, with the MagicTabs revision, it is much easier to create new tabs (and
it will be even easier when I finish) because the macros <<tabContents>>
and <<tabCaption>> use default parameters. It is enough to fill the field
contents.tag with a tag to get a working tab with a list of results that
you can customize filling other fields. It is detailed in
http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/
Post by Alberto Molina
Post by Alberto Molina
- *contents.tag:* ahí indicas la etiqueta de los tiddlers que quieres
que aparezcan en la pestaña. Por ejemplo: "$:/type/comments",
"$:/type/journal", "tasks", etc.
Ok, creo que esto está relacionado con la pregunta anterior en la que te
preguntaba cómo definir tabs, pero creo que se me escapa algo.
If you want a tab showing a list of journal tiddlers, add the
field+content: "*contents.tag: $:/type/journal*" to that tab tiddler.


Saludos,

Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-13 09:01:32 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

I'm trying magic Tabs... One fast question. How can I remove the config
button from each tab?

Thanks in advance.
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-13 09:26:20 UTC
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Hello alberto

Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear
Post by Alberto Molina
as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless
you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag
$:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and
magic tabs tweaks).
If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the $:/type
nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab
and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not
appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside
the text.
I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without
icon.

I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-13 09:39:00 UTC
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El martes, 13 de enero de 2015, 10:26:20 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
Hello alberto
Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear
Post by Alberto Molina
as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless
you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag
$:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and
magic tabs tweaks).
If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the $:/type
nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab
and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not
appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside
the text.
I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without
icon.
I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.
Ok, I have my doubts tab created. But, this is what I thing is needed and I
did not get this from the documentation
You need at two things:

- A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the
caption and the icon.
- A tab tiddler, called whatever you want. For me to work I had to
include the tags $:/action/is/default and the $:/type/tab. My magic
control pannel does not display anything under the configuration of tab
manager.
- The macro <<tabContents>> uses the tag caption and icon to create the
heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the
type tiddler you created.

Now, I have to define an add.content tiddler to be able to create new
tiddlers with the required tag. I will continue investigating.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-13 09:59:56 UTC
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Danielo,
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
Ok, I have my doubts tab created. But, this is what I thing is needed and
I did not get this from the documentation
- A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines
the caption and the icon.
The macro <<tabCaption>> works like that (if I'm not wrong): it looks
first for the fields inside the tab tiddler, if it doesn't find anything,
it looks at the $/type/foo tiddler, and if nothing it uses a default icon.
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
- A tab tiddler, called whatever you want. For me to work I had to
include the tags $:/action/is/default and the $:/type/tab. My magic
control pannel does not display anything under the configuration of tab
manager.
When I created the video annotations tab, I didn't need to tag it with
$:/type/tag, but it is needed I don't remember why and for what, maybe for
the $:/action/is/default to work. I have to check that.

There's no tab manager atm. The plan is to have a list of all the tabs
used, with configuration options and a form+button for easy creating new
tabs. Idem for the type manager.
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
- The macro <<tabContents>> uses the tag caption and icon to create
the heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with
the type tiddler you created.
Now, I have to define an add.content tiddler to be able to create new
tiddlers with the required tag. I will continue investigating.
Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-13 12:04:13 UTC
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Hi Alberto, Danielo,
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the
caption and the icon.
I find it rather confusing that this would be a tag.
Is that just a design choice or would it be a necessity?
All in all, there would only ever be one *mt.type* to a single tiddler, or
not?

Or is it a tag to simplyify assigning it, to assure the user selects a
valid value ...if he ever does so, manually.

The macro <<tabContents>> uses the tag caption and icon to create the
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the
type tiddler you created.
I think it would be helpful if all these components would come prefixed,
e.g.

<<mt-tab-contents>>

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-21 13:25:53 UTC
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Hi Tobias,

A $:/type tiddler, which will be used as tag. This tiddler defines the
Post by Tobias Beer
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
caption and the icon.
I find it rather confusing that this would be a tag.
Is that just a design choice or would it be a necessity?
All in all, there would only ever be one *mt.type* to a single tiddler,
or not?
Or is it a tag to simplyify assigning it, to assure the user selects a
valid value ...if he ever does so, manually.
Its a design choice. And I have several reasons for that. Previously, in
http://tesis.tiddlyspot.com/, I used the field *catégorie* for the same
purpose, but it was a pain in the neck. Tags are much easier to use, for
instance in list filters; they are easier to assign, as you point out, and
other reasons
 We could do the same with field instead of tags, or have
both, but do not consider going that way until the plugin is stable enough.


The macro <<tabContents>> uses the tag caption and icon to create the
Post by Tobias Beer
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
heading of the tab, so it's imperative to fill the contents.tag with the
type tiddler you created.
I think it would be helpful if all these components would come prefixed,
e.g.
<<mt-tab-contents>>
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to
*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?
Yes, it might be a good thing to avoid interferences with other macros.

Regards,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-13 09:51:09 UTC
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Hi Danielo,

I'm trying magic Tabs... One fast question. How can I remove the config
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
button from each tab?
The button is created by the <<tabContents>> macro in
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents*



If I want to just add a new default tab.. Should I use the $:/type
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nomenclature? What is the structure of a tab? I clonned the tiddler $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/templates/tab
and I changed the caption, icon and color fields, but the tab does not
appear as part of the bottom tabs. Also it have the comment header inside
the text.
I have another tab with the tag $:/type/tab and it appears, but without
icon.
I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your time.
The macros use the <$set> widget and that creates a problem: the tiddler
needs to be refreshed for the changes are shown. Maybe this is your problem
because I find myself sometimes asking where is my tab, or why the changes
are not reflected? Sorry for that. It is why the plugin still needs a lot
of work.

Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-13 10:05:53 UTC
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The macros use the <$set> widget and that creates a problem: the tiddler
needs to be refreshed for the changes are shown. Maybe this is your problem
because I find myself sometimes asking where is my tab, or why the changes
are not reflected? Sorry for that. It is why the plugin still needs a lot
of work.
Alberto
Yes, I noticed that :P but I did not know why. Now I'm trying to create a
form to add a new doubt, but It is not related with its parent. I'm using
<<newNote "doubt">> I noticed that the parameter of the newNote macro is
the second part of the type tag, so it will be tagged as $:/type/doubt. I
got some problems because I though it was just a caption, and I was
using <<newNote "Doubt">> so the doubts were not related.

Things are starting to work!! Is there any other macro with less fields?
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-13 09:25:19 UTC
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Hi Alberto,
1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to
*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?
Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear
as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless
you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag
$:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and
magic tabs tweaks).
http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutabs.tiddlyspot.com%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE0MHdJdh229zGaOMMkBuzvz0JgZA>
Not sure what to make of this strategy in terms of...

*Type video: *Add the tag $:/type/video to the video tiddlers. In this
case: Introduction To TiddlyWiki
*Type annotation: *Add the tag $:/type/annotation to the annotation
tiddlers.
Why would I need an additional type tag? Isn't there a filter expression
that corresponds to what makes a tiddler of type *$:/type/video* or
*$:/type/annotation* or any other type?

How about something more implicit, like...

*$:/type/**field/**yt-id*

...without a need to declare some otherwise unneeded extra tags for
magic-tabs?

And then have ...

*contents.by.field: $:/type/field/yt-video*

...perhaps. The thing is, do I need / also want those *$:/type/video* and *$:/type/annotation
*tags now and does that mean that I also need to overwrite the tags
template?

I was surely considering of abandoning the yt-video field as it seems much
more natural to have the annotation simply tag to the video, but then I
have the problem that a simple tagging relationship isn't a qualified one.

Also, if I kept something like *yt-video* as a qualified field then there
is that problem with generally distinguishing *yt-video* vs. *yt-videos*...
because, the latter would require a bracketed list like the tags field and
all the handling that goes with dissecting those bracketed list-items
whereas the *yt-video* field as a reference to a single *parent* does not
have any double square brackets and would probably fail if I wrapped those
tiddler titles in them.

So, how do you harmonize these relations ships such that 1:1 is working
exactly like a 1:many in terms of how the data is being kept, i.e. by
entering that related tiddler via a "browse for some tiddler" popup just
like we have for tags?

Mhhh, loads of further exploring and architectural design is needed, it
appears.

I mean, hw would you handle the case where a tiddler would have two
parents, sources, etc...?

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-13 10:39:19 UTC
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Hi Tobias,
Post by Alberto Molina
1. Tabs fields: fields like *filter* and *template* have changed to
*list.filter* and *list.template*, and other fields have been added.
Perhaps use a more specific *mt* prefix, e.g. *mt.filter*?
Yes, you're right. Maybe *mt.list.filter*, *mt.list.filter.heading*, *mt.list.filter.template,
mt.tab.template*, etc.
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Its very easy: if you create a tiddler tagged $:/tabs/foo, it will appear
as a bottom tab in every tiddler tagged $:/type/foo and only there (unless
you choose to have it as a default tab, and you can do that with the tag
$:/action/is/default, or go to the control panel, under appearance and
magic tabs tweaks).
http://youtabs.tiddlyspot.com/
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutabs.tiddlyspot.com%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE0MHdJdh229zGaOMMkBuzvz0JgZA>
Not sure what to make of this strategy in terms of...
*Type video: *Add the tag $:/type/video to the video tiddlers. In this
case: Introduction To TiddlyWiki
*Type annotation: *Add the tag $:/type/annotation to the annotation
tiddlers.
Why would I need an additional type tag? Isn't there a filter expression
that corresponds to what makes a tiddler of type *$:/type/video* or
*$:/type/annotation* or any other type?
Why an additional type tag ($:/type/annotation) ? It is not mandatory, but:

1. that way it is easier to look for video annotations and create list
filters. You do the same using fields.
2. if you fill the field *contents.tag* with that tag, the macro
<<tabContents>> will automatically display a list with a default filter
using that tab. But you can use your own list filter, either using the
field *list.filter*, or not using the <<tabContents>>.
3. if you create the tiddler $:/type/annotation with a caption, an icon,
a template, they are automatically used by the macros <<tabCaption>> and
<<inputSlider>>.
4. last but not least: *that way, annotation tiddlers can be first class
citizens*, having their own dedicated tabs, view templates, etc. For
instance, you may want a tab specific to video annotations showing related
with the same topic, or documentation tiddlers talking about the same topic
as the video annotation.
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How about something more implicit, like...
*$:/type/**field/**yt-id*
...without a need to declare some otherwise unneeded extra tags for
magic-tabs?
And then have ...
*contents.by.field: $:/type/field/yt-video*
...perhaps. The thing is, do I need / also want those *$:/type/video* and *$:/type/annotation
*tags now and does that mean that I also need to overwrite the tags
template?
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
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I was surely considering of abandoning the yt-video field as it seems much
more natural to have the annotation simply tag to the video, but then I
have the problem that a simple tagging relationship isn't a qualified one.
You need a qualified relationship between the video and its annotations,
and the *yt-video* field works. You could use in the same way I use the
*source* field. But if you use yt-video instead of source, you need to
create specific list filters while source is used by default in MagicTabs.
Post by Alberto Molina
Also, if I kept something like *yt-video* as a qualified field then there
is that problem with generally distinguishing *yt-video* vs. *yt-videos*...
because, the latter would require a bracketed list like the tags field and
all the handling that goes with dissecting those bracketed list-items
whereas the *yt-video* field as a reference to a single *parent* does not
have any double square brackets and would probably fail if I wrapped those
tiddler titles in them.
Custom list fields are a pain in the neck. But I managed to have them
working with fields like *authors*, *about*, *parent*, and I don't remember
if *source*.
Post by Alberto Molina
So, how do you harmonize these relations ships such that 1:1 is working
exactly like a 1:many in terms of how the data is being kept, i.e. by
entering that related tiddler via a "browse for some tiddler" popup just
like we have for tags?
Mhhh, loads of further exploring and architectural design is needed, it
appears.
I mean, hw would you handle the case where a tiddler would have two
parents, sources, etc...?
Its complicated but it works. When I have more than one author for the same
book, they are all specified in the *authors* field and are treated as if
they were tags. Idem for the *about* and *parent* field. Can't explain
here.

Best wishes,

Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-13 12:32:20 UTC
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Hi Alberto,

*that way, annotation tiddlers can be first class citizens*, having their
own dedicated tabs, view templates, etc. For instance, you may want a tab
specific to video annotations showing related with the same topic, or
documentation tiddlers talking about the same topic as the video
annotation.
Being tiddlers, annotations already are "first class citizens"... in
TiddlyWiki.
So, what we magically desire are dedicated tabs that only show for certain
citizens.
The question perhaps remains: What produces triggers a tab showing?
What identifier is used to trigger showing a tab?
To me, that is always some filter expression ...which we could associated
with a tiddler tagged something like *$:/tags/MagicTab*.
A filter that is perhaps not even stored at that tab-tiddler directly, so
as to decouple switching it on and off from the actual template.
if you create the tiddler $:/type/annotation with a caption, an icon, a
template, they are automatically used by the macros <<tabCaption>> and
<<inputSlider>>.
The core would probably do this via individual tiddlers, like...

- *$:/mt/types/<type-name>/tab*
- the tab template
- *$:/mt/types/<type-name>/icon*
- the icon for the thing
- *$:/mt/types/<type-name>/field*
- a (list) field that triggers showing the tab
- *$:/mt/types/<type-name>/tag*
- a tag that triggers showing the tab, in the form of *$:/type/<tag>*
- *$:/mt/types/<type-name>/filter*
- an entirely custom filter that triggers showing the tab
- *$:/mt/types/<type-name>/lingo/en-GB/caption*
- a caption for a given language, fallback being *en-GB*

...this ensures that core components only get partially overwritten but not
completely, which would prevent getting template updates later on. So, for
each tab, there would be a set of the above, perhaps all of which are
optional, thus showing the tab for all tiddlers.

How about something more implicit, like...
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*$:/type/**field/**yt-id*
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
The point was to trigger showing a tab not based on the presence of a
certain tag,
but rather based on the presence of a certain field that would be used
anyway... for a "typed citizen".
The filter to show/hide tabs would possibly be able to handle both cases in
one, e.g.

show either when...

- tagged *$:/type/<type-name>*
- field *mt-type *= *<type-name>*

You need a qualified relationship between the video and its annotations,
and the *yt-video* field works. You could use in the same way I use the
*source* field. But if you use yt-video instead of source, you need to
create specific list filters while source is used by default in MagicTabs.
Yes, so I'm thinking it does have to be a field, after all, rather than a
tag.

Custom list fields are a pain in the neck. But I managed to have them
working with fields like *authors*, *about*, *parent*, and I don't
remember if *source*.
They may be a pain in the neck, but I think for harmony's sake, all those
relatiohship fields should be handled using list-fields and the kind of
nomenclature that is required for them to work properly, be it a 1:many
relationship or a mere 1:1... and one day, hopefully, the same ui as is
given to the *tags* field... plus the ordering.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-09 23:44:31 UTC
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Danielo,

Thanks to Tobias last message, I understand that I misunderstood your first
question:

what is considered Children of a tiddler?
You are talking about the tiddlers that appear under "Children of this
tiddler" in the info tab, aren't you?

Well, they are all the tiddlers with a field *parent* or *source* whose
content points to the current tiddler. It is the case of all the tiddlers
you can create through the other tabs, like comments, notes, ideas, quotes,
journals, etc. When you add a comment to the tiddler *William Shakespeare* using
the form in its "comments tab", the field+value "*source: [[William
Shakespeare]]*" is automatically added to the new comment tiddler. For
instance, the tiddler *Doubts about authorship* have the field+value: "
*about: authorship*" and "*source: [[William Shakespeare]]*".

Hope this answer is more helpful than my previous one.

Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-10 03:28:37 UTC
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Hi Alberto,

Yes, thanks for clearing that up!
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Well, they are all the tiddlers with a field *parent* or *source* whose
content points to the current tiddler. It is the case of all the tiddlers
you can create through the other tabs, like comments, notes, ideas, quotes,
journals, etc. When you add a comment to the tiddler *William Shakespeare* using
the form in its "comments tab", the field+value "*source: [[William
Shakespeare]]*" is automatically added to the new comment tiddler. For
instance, the tiddler *Doubts about authorship* have the field+value: "
*about: authorship*" and "*source: [[William Shakespeare]]*".
This very much goes into the direction of this issue...

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1324

So, you're making a good case for it, now that I understand what is
happening.
Perhaps consider that popup discussed at that issue.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-10 15:27:50 UTC
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Hi Tobias,

I didn't know about that discussion. Thanks!

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I don't understand all the details of your proposition. I tried some time ago to adapt the tags selector in edit mode to work with other fields, but I failed since my knowledge of the internals isn't good enough.

For people like me, with structured tw, tags are easy to use and good to see in view mode, but meaningless. They just mean : thhas
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-10 15:47:28 UTC
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Hi Tobias,
I didn't know about that discussion. Thanks!

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I don't understand all the details of your proposition. I tried some time ago to adapt the tags selector in edit mode to work with other fields, but I failed since my knowledge of the internals isn't good enough.

For people like me, with structured tw, tags are easy to use and good to see in view mode, but meaningless. They just mean : there is some kind of relation between this and that, but I don't know what kind of relation it is.

What I try to do with the MagicTabs plugin (former BottomTabs, former Scholars, former... ) is to create meaningful (but generic) relationships between tiddlers with fields like: authors, about, source, parent. Then, I want to show these relationships : first by displaying the values of these fields as tags, but before the regular tabs (i.e. pseudo-tags on the left, real tags on the right); and second by displaying the contents of these related tiddlers using bottom tabs. That way, all the relevant information concerning, for instance, William Shakespeare, can be seen and accessed and incremented without leaving William Shakespeare's tiddler.

Thus, any kind of mechanism to create meaningful but tags-like fields is more than welcome.

Best wishes,

Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-10 17:55:04 UTC
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Hi Alberto,
Post by Alberto Molina
For people like me, with structured tw, tags are easy to use and good to
see in view mode, but meaningless. They just mean : there is some kind of
relation between this and that, but I don't know what kind of relation it
is.
Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I
Post by Alberto Molina
don't understand all the details of your proposition.
When I have made a demo, I'll ping back here.
Post by Alberto Molina
What I try to do with the MagicTabs plugin...
I think it's all coming together nicely and, perhaps after taking the time
and giving the above issue another read, you will find that what you're
doing is precisely that! Now, imagine TiddlyMap being able to simply hook
into your MagicTabs relatiohships and display them in a Graph. That's only
possible thanks to the kind of semantic relationship pattern I was
discussing in that issue and you're already implementing, even configurably
so.

Thus, any kind of mechanism to create meaningful but tags-like fields is
Post by Alberto Molina
more than welcome.
Have a look at...

http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com

Especially...

http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com/#Topic

A few days ago I realized that what I want to get to is pretty much the
same pattern you use, only just not as bottom tabs but as semantic lists in
a kind of note-list to the left hand side of each note ...with buttons
defined via relationship patterns defined by the user that allow to create
related tiddlers to a note, e.g. an idea, a question, a reference, a
comment, a what-not.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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cmari
2015-01-10 18:21:31 UTC
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Hi Alberto,
I already liked tw-scholars, so I'm trying hard to keep up with all of your
improvements! One thing I noticed is that the author list (in
"$:/plugins/.../lists/publications") doesn't seem to be sorting properly.
I tried creating new authors and publications in your dropbox version to
test things in case there was some problem with my fields. Sorting by
title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not alphabetical.
Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything at all. I wish
I could provide actual help rather than just a report, but I'm very
confused about where "authors" are defined.
Thanks so much for what you've created - I use it daily.
cmari
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-10 21:58:28 UTC
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Hi Cmari,

Thanks for your kind words and for the report. Lately, I've been doing more
coding than testing or even using the plugin, thus I'm not aware of all the
bugs.

Sorting by title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not
alphabetical. Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything
at all.
I'll check that.

Regards,

Alberto
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cmari
2015-06-21 19:29:04 UTC
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In case I'm not the only person still very happily using the original
BottomTabs, here is what I did to make the author list sort correctly
(alphabetically, and in reverse):
In the tiddler
$:/plugins/amp/BT/lists/publications

Find:
<$reveal state="$:/temp/advancedsearch" type="match" text="">
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]tag[$type$]$(order)$[$sort$]]">

and delete $sort$ from the end of the second line:

<$reveal state="$:/temp/advancedsearch" type="match" text="">
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]tag[$type$]$(order)$[]]">

Thank you again to Alberto!
cmari
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi Cmari,
Thanks for your kind words and for the report. Lately, I've been doing
more coding than testing or even using the plugin, thus I'm not aware of
all the bugs.
Sorting by title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not
alphabetical. Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything
at all.
I'll check that.
Regards,
Alberto
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2015-01-12 13:24:53 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Tobias Beer
Hi Alberto,
I already liked tw-scholars, so I'm trying hard to keep up with all of
your improvements! One thing I noticed is that the author list (in
"$:/plugins/.../lists/publications") doesn't seem to be sorting properly.
I tried creating new authors and publications in your dropbox version to
test things in case there was some problem with my fields. Sorting by
title and date works fine, but sorting by author is not alphabetical.
Also, clicking the reverse checkbox didn't change anything at all. I wish
I could provide actual help rather than just a report, but I'm very
confused about where "authors" are defined.
Thanks so much for what you've created - I use it daily.
cmari
Fixed and improved!

Regards,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-10 20:43:27 UTC
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Hi Tobias,

Obviously, the kind of popup solution you propose would be great, even if I
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don't understand all the details of your proposition.
When I have made a demo, I'll ping back here.
I look forward to seeing it.
Post by Tobias Beer
I think it's all coming together nicely and, perhaps after taking the time
and giving the above issue another read, you will find that what you're
doing is precisely that! Now, imagine TiddlyMap being able to simply hook
into your MagicTabs relatiohships and display them in a Graph. That's only
possible thanks to the kind of semantic relationship pattern I was
discussing in that issue and you're already implementing, even
configurably so.
TiddlyMap being able to simply hook into the MagicTabs relationships and
display them in a Graph would led TW to a new dimension!
Post by Tobias Beer
Have a look at...
http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fcornell.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEjQSW2c9BHksuGAiDxgM9B_WUD9g>
Especially...
http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com/#Topic
A few days ago I realized that what I want to get to is pretty much the
same pattern you use, only just not as bottom tabs but as semantic lists in
a kind of note-list to the left hand side of each note ...with buttons
defined via relationship patterns defined by the user that allow to create
related tiddlers to a note, e.g. an idea, a question, a reference, a
comment, a what-not.
I like it very much! How to add a new note?

And yes, we are both going in the same direction. I'm very interested in
how you are doing it.

Regards,

Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-10 21:26:22 UTC
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http://cornell.tiddlyspot.com/#Topic
I like it very much! How to add a new note?
What you see there is just an hours work of prototyping... nothing that
works yet.

The wiki so far only holds something of a (now updated) spec for how that
could work...
and eventually will also hold the implementation, I think.

Adding a new note will work by clicking on one of those bars so as to
insert it at that spot. RelatedNotes will be added via typed buttons in the
left column which is listing them.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-11 13:19:05 UTC
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Hi Alberto,

What would be desireable is for magictabs and cornell to build on
similar — if not the same — patterns and paradigms in terms of how...

- tiddlers are semantically related via fields ...and also basic tagging
- sets of semantic relations defined via filters conditionally render...
- magic tabs: bottom tabs
- cornell: left-column contents, e.g. the types of related-notes and
the buttons to create them
- customization works, so as to be able to...
- magic tabs: define new (conditional) tabs, relations, contents,
icons ...tiddler types, really
- cornell: define new (conditional) related notes and buttons to
create, and edit them

To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before
setting out to implement that "cornell stuff".

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-11 21:26:02 UTC
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Hi Tobias,

I agree that magictabs and cornell could and should share patterns and
paradigms. The difference could be more a question of themes and usecase
than a question of code.

After spending a lot of time trying different solutions for my own usecase,
my essential conclusions so far are the following:

1. *Types: *The relations are not only between tiddlers but also and
first about *types* of tiddlers: for instance, publications are related
to authors. Thus, we need a way to define types (since we can't use the
field type). And a same tiddler can belong to different types (an author is
also a person, a note can also be a comment).
- My solution in MagicTabs is to use system tags with the prefix
*$:/type/* like* $:/type/author, $:/type/book, $:/type/note*, etc.
- That way, it is easier to differentiate them from regular tags.
- I can hide them from view mode (with a custom ViewTemplate/tags)
- I can apply a different ViewTemplate for each tiddler type.
2. *Fields: *The semantic relations must be meaningful but general
enough to be applied to different types of tiddlers.
- So far, in MagicTabs, I use the following generic relations:
- *authors*: this is a list field since a book or a paper, a song
or a recipe, a plugin or a monument, can have several authors.
- *about*: a note, a comment, a quote, a book, etc., is *about*
something, it talks *about* something which can be (or not)
another tiddler. This is also a list field since a note can talk about
different things.
- *source*: the source of a quote is a publication, the source of
an image can be a webpage, the source of a character can be a novel, etc.
- *parent*: this field is to create a generic hierarchy or
categorization different from authors and source. This is a list field.
- But specific relations can be necessary:
- *ingredients*: for cooking recipes
- *courses*: for students and teachers, resources, lessons.
3. *Lists:* Besides types and fields, we need to show the related
tiddlers through lists. And we need a mechanism to *relate lists to
types*.
- This is where I use the *bottom tabs*, which is a solution among
others. And the mechanism used by MagicTabs is similar to the
$:/tags/foo used by the core:
- Any tiddler tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/foo* will be displayed as a
bottom tab in all tiddlers tagged *$:/type/foo*.
- For instance, if we have tiddlers tagged *$:/type/ingredient*,
we can create a tab showing a list of recipes using those ingredients with
a tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/ingredient* and the corresponding list
filter.
4. *Customization:* We have to separate contents (like filters in
tabs) and the way they are displayed. If this is done properly, then the
same semantic relations can be shown as bottom tabs, left-column contents
(Cornell), or any other way, applying a theme or another.


To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before
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setting out to implement that "cornell stuff".
The core of MagicTabs, if you want to understand how it works, is:

- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/TabsBar
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2FViewTemplate%2FTabsBar>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FtabContents>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabCaption
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FtabCaption>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/inputSlider
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FinputSlider>

Best wishes,

Alberto
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-11 22:07:04 UTC
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Hi Alberto,
- *Types: *The relations are not only between tiddlers but also and
first about *types* of tiddlers: for instance, publications are
related to authors. Thus, we need a way to define types (since we can't use
the field type). And a same tiddler can belong to different types (an
author is also a person, a note can also be a comment).
Yes, I was thinking the same about "related notes"... they're not only
tiddlers, but they're really notes themselves in the sense that other notes
can relate to them in the same context as semantic "children", i.e.
pointing to them. In my case that means that they can not only show up in
the left column but very much so, also in the right in case they are
directly listed as notes to the context rather than just as related notes
to a context-note, if that was understandably put.
- My solution in MagicTabs is to use system tags with the prefix
*$:/type/* like* $:/type/author, $:/type/book, $:/type/note*, etc.
- That way, it is easier to differentiate them from regular tags.
- I can hide them from view mode (with a custom ViewTemplate/tags)
- I can apply a different ViewTemplate for each tiddler type.
That is a bery useful pattern, I might just use the same for what now is
called YoutubeSomething and will soon be MediaPlugin...

http://youtube.tiddlyspot.com/

...so as to not only be able to declare and relate annotations (and who
knows what) to (embedded) media references, but also to provide hooks for
extensions that provide an adaptor to yet another media type, e.g. vimeo,
mp3, ogg, site foo... think of it as a special "plugin-extension" called
...i don't know... emoji's for your bottom tabs... which would show some
ridiculous image... anyhow, the point being, the extension encapsulates and
formalizes its own content, but hooks into your magic-tabs or "my"
cornellish notes architecture to show up like any other of your "tabs" or
of my "related contents".
- *Fields: *The semantic relations must be meaningful but general
enough to be applied to different types of tiddlers.
- *authors*: this is a list field since a book or a paper, a
song or a recipe, a plugin or a monument, can have several authors.
- *about*: a note, a comment, a quote, a book, etc., is *about*
something, it talks *about* something which can be (or not)
another tiddler. This is also a list field since a note can talk about
different things.
- *source*: the source of a quote is a publication, the source
of an image can be a webpage, the source of a character can be a novel, etc.
- *parent*: this field is to create a generic hierarchy or
categorization different from authors and source. This is a list field.
Thanks you so much for the details, I was hoping that one day I'd
understand the distinctions. ^^
- *ingredients*: for cooking recipes
- *courses*: for students and teachers, resources, lessons.
Indeed... thinking of this cornell thing... ingredients could be listed
alongside a step in the preparation process as links to further information
...about "artichokes"... also makes me think that for a related not I might
want to see more than a title, e.g. a related quantity... when it comes to
"ingredients".

As for the note for step X, one thing would be to establish the semantic
relationship: "ingedient=artichoke" and the other would be...
"quantity:3"... for this step in the process.

One might also wish to see a list of all "ingredients" to a "recipe"... the
recipe being the note-context... so not just to the preparation step. Or,
well, all open questions, notes, comments, references, foo bar baz... to a
context... being a tiddler.
- *Lists:* Besides types and fields, we need to show the related
tiddlers through lists. And we need a mechanism to *relate lists to
types*.
- This is where I use the *bottom tabs*, which is a solution among
others. And the mechanism used by MagicTabs is similar to the
- Any tiddler tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/foo* will be displayed as a
bottom tab in all tiddlers tagged *$:/type/foo*.
- For instance, if we have tiddlers tagged *$:/type/ingredient*,
we can create a tab showing a list of recipes using those ingredients with
a tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/ingredient* and the corresponding list
filter.
Yes, I was thinking you'd do that and it makes total sense. In my case, it
would be a template that defines a line-item rather than a full-blown tab.
- *Customization:* We have to separate contents (like filters in tabs)
and the way they are displayed. If this is done properly, then the same
semantic relations can be shown as bottom tabs, left-column contents
(Cornell), or any other way, applying a theme or another.
Precisely the point I was trying to bring to your attention.
To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before
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setting out to implement that "cornell stuff".
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/TabsBar
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2FViewTemplate%2FTabsBar>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FtabContents>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabCaption
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FtabCaption>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/inputSlider
<http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FinputSlider>
I will indeed take a very close look. Thanks for all the detailed
feedback. You have provided some very inspirational and solid foundation in
your implementation... a fool not to establish a symbiotic relationship
with such fruitful knowledge-management-capacity.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-13 20:31:19 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

Please consider making the tiddler *$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/lists/notes/filter
*tags based. I had to edit it manually to ad my own type, and this is not
good. As important as having the ability to add new tabs is to sumarize its
tiddlers. Regards.
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-18 17:39:12 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

I just want to thank you for your plugin. It is making the process of
creating documentation much easier and intuitive. I'm making some
customizations to make it fit my needs. I hope you are doing well and we
can see soon new features of your plugin. I'm particularly interested in a
tab that shows the reference (for me tipically one or more urls) where you
took the information from.
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-18 18:18:47 UTC
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Hi Danielo,

Thanks for your kind words.

I didn't have time enough to work on the plugin this week, neither to answer the last messages here.

Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would you let me see your customizations when you are finished?

Regards,
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philippe mekal
2015-01-20 15:58:04 UTC
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Hi Alberto,

I must say your work is awsome.
These plugins contain what I need, and in speaking of customisations, i can
say I am trying hard to adapt your plugin to my needs.
And I also can say I can't finalize it...

I am trying to do this, for an help to a writer : character tiddlers, with
three bottom tags filled with fields (describing the character), and forms
to fill these fields.
I hope I can do it one day.

thank you anyway for your plugin.

Bien cordialement
Philippe
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Hi Danielo,
Thanks for your kind words.
I didn't have time enough to work on the plugin this week, neither to
answer the last messages here.
Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your
customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to
customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would
you let me see your customizations when you are finished?
Regards,
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-21 12:58:01 UTC
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Hi Philippe,

I must say your work is awsome.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
Post by philippe mekal
These plugins contain what I need, and in speaking of customisations, i
can say I am trying hard to adapt your plugin to my needs.
And I also can say I can't finalize it...
I am trying to do this, for an help to a writer : character tiddlers, with
three bottom tags filled with fields (describing the character), and forms
to fill these fields.
I hope I can do it one day.
I'm currently trying to make things much easier for customization. But
there's still work to do. And I'm sorry there's no documentation at the
moment.

Please explain better what you want to achieve and I'll try to help you:

- Which tiddler types do you need? One is characters
($:/type/character). What about the others?
- Which fields do you want for each tiddler type?
- Which bottom tabs do you need?

Bien cordialement,

Alberto
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philippe mekal
2015-01-21 14:08:35 UTC
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Hi Alberto,

I wouldn't let you do all the work !
What i am trying to do is "an help to manage characters" for a book to
write.

To my idea, what is needed for a basic set is :

A way to create one tiddler for each character. (you button 'person' on
'scholars' is nice)

This tiddler would have few fields, like name, surname, and sex, for a
basic set. (the idea is,
that anyone who want to custumize, can add whatever fields he wants, and
can report the filling
of these fields in the creation act)

Once this character tiddler is created, it would automaticaly have 5 other
bottom tab :
idea(s) and note(s) (what you already have created, in the same way, saying
with the + button to add as many ideas or notes as wanted) and three other
that would contain many other fields to be filled (basicaly for a writing
book : one tab for physical description, one for mental and one for life
description)

These three bottom tab don't need the + button, only a "modify" button
In a basic set, i would see bottomtab1, bottomtab2, bottomtab3 and each of
them with 3 fields : btf11,btf12 and btf13 for the first bottom tab,
btf21,btf22 and btf23 for the second bottom tab, and so on.
These name (bottomtab1, btf11,...) could be easily renamed to fit every
need.
And of course, many other fields could be added on each of these
bottomtab123.

This basic set could be re-used for any purpose.
I also believe that the macro part is not that easy to adapt (that is also
why i am stucked...)

I don't know if i am clear... i could explain again in french if needed.

I also would be pleased to help if you want to add a french documentation
(but I believe you speak french too).

Thanks a lot if you have some time to spend on these ideas.

One again, great job you've done.

Bien cordialement

Philippe
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-21 22:40:14 UTC
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Hi Philippe,

OK. I think I understand. I'm going to try as a way of testing the changes
I've done to the plugins. But before I need to fix other things.
When finished, it could be the start of a new extra plugin for writers.

I also would be pleased to help if you want to add a french documentation
Post by philippe mekal
(but I believe you speak french too).
Yes, I speak french much better than english. I would like to create
documentation in english, spanish and french. But until now there's no
documentation at all. First, the plugin must be stable enough. I also would
like to have the plugin translatable in different languages, like the core
of tw, but later.

If you could contribute to the french translation of the documentation of
tw.com, it would be much more useful.

Regards,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-02-04 13:01:13 UTC
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Hi Philippe,

Sorry for the late answer. Before trying to create your types and tabs, I
thought is was better to make the customization process much easier for you
and other users, so you can do it yourself. And it took me a lot of
intensive work to achieve something good enough to publish here.

Then, testing my own plugin customization features, I made a little extra
plugin to create new characters with editable "physical description" and
"mental description" as bottom tabs. I hope it is useful for you. And try
to do your own types and tabs to see if you get stucked again.

http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/

Bien cordialement,

Alberto
Post by Tobias Beer
Hi Alberto,
I wouldn't let you do all the work !
What i am trying to do is "an help to manage characters" for a book to
write.
A way to create one tiddler for each character. (you button 'person' on
'scholars' is nice)
This tiddler would have few fields, like name, surname, and sex, for a
basic set. (the idea is,
that anyone who want to custumize, can add whatever fields he wants, and
can report the filling
of these fields in the creation act)
Once this character tiddler is created, it would automaticaly have 5 other
idea(s) and note(s) (what you already have created, in the same way,
saying with the + button to add as many ideas or notes as wanted) and three
other
that would contain many other fields to be filled (basicaly for a writing
book : one tab for physical description, one for mental and one for life
description)
These three bottom tab don't need the + button, only a "modify" button
In a basic set, i would see bottomtab1, bottomtab2, bottomtab3 and each of
them with 3 fields : btf11,btf12 and btf13 for the first bottom tab,
btf21,btf22 and btf23 for the second bottom tab, and so on.
These name (bottomtab1, btf11,...) could be easily renamed to fit every
need.
And of course, many other fields could be added on each of these
bottomtab123.
This basic set could be re-used for any purpose.
I also believe that the macro part is not that easy to adapt (that is also
why i am stucked...)
I don't know if i am clear... i could explain again in french if needed.
I also would be pleased to help if you want to add a french documentation
(but I believe you speak french too).
Thanks a lot if you have some time to spend on these ideas.
One again, great job you've done.
Bien cordialement
Philippe
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-20 18:06:21 UTC
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Hello Alberto.
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi Danielo,
Thanks for your kind words.
Thank you for your work and support.
Post by Alberto Molina
Since the plugin is still a work in progress, I'm much interested in your
customisations and your use case to adapt the plugin, make it easier to
customise, and add new tabs that could be useful for users like you. Would
you let me see your customizations when you are finished?
Of course I can share with you my customizations. But currently they are
very basic: I just created a new type, a new tab and I added it to the
control panel. I have plans to put a link to the "parent tiddler" of each
annotation (not just notes) in the control panel. I think is important to
know where do you have those notes when you want to review, for example,
your doubts or what is the note about.

Regards.
Post by Alberto Molina
Regards,
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-21 13:07:49 UTC
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Hi Danielo,

Of course I can share with you my customizations. But currently they are
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
very basic: I just created a new type, a new tab and I added it to the
control panel. I have plans to put a link to the "parent tiddler" of each
annotation (not just notes) in the control panel. I think is important to
know where do you have those notes when you want to review, for example,
your doubts or what is the note about.
If its something that can be useful to others, I can add your
customizations to the core plugins.

Please consider making the tiddler
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
*$:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/lists/notes/filter *tags based. I had to edit
it manually to ad my own type, and this is not good. As important as having
the ability to add new tabs is to sumarize its tiddlers. Regards.
You are right. I'm currently working on this and other improvements.

Saludos,

Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-01-21 21:23:28 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

How is the creation of new tiddlers via form managed? Is there any chance
to not opening the resulting tiddler for editing?
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Alberto Molina
2015-01-21 22:47:32 UTC
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Hi Danielo,
Post by Danielo Rodríguez
How is the creation of new tiddlers via form managed?
There are dedicated button tiddlers like
<http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fbuttons%2Finput%2Fnotes>

- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/newNote/button
<http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FnewNote%2Fbutton>
- $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/buttons/input/person
<http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fbuttons%2Finput%2Fperson>

Is there any chance to not opening the resulting tiddler for editing?


I would like to have the option of opening or not, for editing or for
viewing. That was possible with the maketid plugin from matabele, but I
don't think it's possible atm with the core. I hope I'm wrong.

Regards,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-02-04 12:47:31 UTC
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Hi everyone,

I worked VERY HARD on the MagicTabs plugin over the last two weeks: fixing
bugs, cleaning code and improving the code, with special attention to
customization.

Until now, customizing the plugin (creating new types and tabs) was a pain
in the neck. Now I think (I hope) it is MUCH easier and intuitive. You are
guided step by step to create new types+templates and new tabs, and many
processes are automated.

Other features include:
* Silent tiddlers creation.
* No more need to create ad-hoc forms and buttons for custom types and tabs.
* No more need to create ad-hoc lists in the dashboard.
* Too many things to remember.

Now, it is *very important to associate a template with each type* for
automated creation of new tiddlers with that type.

The downside of improvements is incompatibilities. Macros and fields have
changed their names (most with prefixes like "mt-"). If you didn't create
custom types and tabs, then it shouldn't affect you. If you did, then I
think the best way to best way to go is to create new types and tabs using
the dashboard managers and copy/pasting your stuff in the relevant new
fields. But remember that this is beta software and that future versions
might be incompatible with this one. Use it for testing purposes only.

For those interested in testing it, I would like to know your opinion about
the customization process: it is easier now, is it intuitive, is there any
point where you get stuck, any bug?

The reading extra (successor of TW for Scholars) is not available now with
this new version of MagicTabs because it uses very different and complex
mechanisms to create custom publications' titles, quotes' titles, etc. It
could be adapted without too much modifications, but I prefer to rewrite it
entirely for good, and it might take some time.

Best wishes,

Alberto
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Alberto Molina
2015-02-04 12:48:58 UTC
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Post by Alberto Molina
Hi everyone,
I worked VERY HARD on the MagicTabs plugin over the last two weeks: fixing
bugs, cleaning code and improving the code, with special attention to
customization.
MagicTabs: http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/
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PMario
2015-02-04 13:42:06 UTC
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Hi Alberto,
Great stuff!

IMO since you renamed the project from bottom tabs to MagicTabs, you should
create a new "[TW5] INTRO: MagicTabs plugin - some more text" thread for
it.

I think it deserves it!

have fun!
mario
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Alberto Molina
2015-02-04 14:15:16 UTC
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Hi PMario,
Post by PMario
Great stuff!
Thanks!
Post by PMario
IMO since you renamed the project from bottom tabs to MagicTabs, you
should create a new "[TW5] INTRO: MagicTabs plugin - some more text" thread
for it.
The INTRO prefix may make it easier to find it :)


Yes, but I want to do some more testing and debuging before announcing it,
as version 0.2, in its own thread.

Regards,

Alberto
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philippe mekal
2015-04-16 12:00:34 UTC
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Hi Alberto,

I know... I took my time... in fact... I had difficulties to find time...

Great job you did.
I tried few things, and before I go further, I would like to have your
opinion.
Please find attached what I did.

Question :

I made a new tab (capacites), but when I try to call it, the pattern
doesn't come. I know I miss something, but cannot find what.
I chose to add fields, to be filled (don't know if it is the best way). The
button to edit would be a good one if it could edit the fields (see
'physical' for 'Saroldi').
Can you explain (may be again ;-( ) what does the second line (tagging)
under 'physical description' bottom tab means ? How can we use it ?
When creating the bottom-tab (ie physical description), is it possible to
directly name the new tiddler by, for example, name + physical, or whatever
else that prevents mismatching if these tiddler are modified separately
from the 'character' main tab ?
I found this kind of iconography on the google group<<fa beer 2>> from font
awsome. Isn't it easier than the way you use icons ? Am I missing (again)
something ?

Thanks again for the time you spend on this project. I would help you if I
could, but definitively, it is far beyond my knowledge.

bien à toi

Philippe
Post by Alberto Molina
Hi PMario,
Post by PMario
Great stuff!
Thanks!
Post by PMario
IMO since you renamed the project from bottom tabs to MagicTabs, you
should create a new "[TW5] INTRO: MagicTabs plugin - some more text" thread
for it.
The INTRO prefix may make it easier to find it :)
Yes, but I want to do some more testing and debuging before announcing it,
as version 0.2, in its own thread.
Regards,
Alberto
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Danielo Rodríguez
2015-05-05 13:53:32 UTC
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Hello Alberto,

I'm using your Plugin for meetings notes. I like the ability of create new
notes, and sections. It's very useful because it's not comfortable to
create several tiddlers and relate them with plain TW. What I would love is
to be able to edit several notes at the same time. I mean, having the
tiddler opened and editing one note, then switching to another one and edit
them, everything within the same tiddler.

Other cool thing would be to have a view where all the sections of a
tiddler are "joined" together as a single tiddler. That is what I though
the section part was for.

I found a small bug/problem: If you switch the tab while editing a section
without saving it you will lose it.

Other thing I don't understand is why Notes are listed under parts tab.
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