Discussion:
[tw] $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW
Mat
2014-12-05 00:55:59 UTC
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Fellow tiddlywikians,

Win $100 contributed, in your name, to the guidebook Inside TiddlyWiki -
the Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>
by expert TW developer and expert TW educator Eric Shulman.

*...by designing a A4/letter sized poster that attracts people to
TiddlyWiki*

It should be ready for simple print out, with a common printer, to put up
on university billboards, in corporate lunch rooms, taped on the lab door,
public outdoor billboards, community houses, etc. This is a rare
opportunity to contribute to our community without being a programmer! Or a
spender for that matter ;-)

The competition will run December out and the winner will be announced
shortly thereafter and the prize will be transferred to the Inside
TiddlyWiki project. The grand jury is... well, let's just say it's as small
as it gets and highly subjective ;-)


Critera

- The purpose of the poster is to get the maximum number of new people
to try out TW.
Beautiful graphics, ugly sketches, 3-D tiddlers or 3-year toddlers - use
whatever it takes to get people to try TW. Ok, no profanity, false claims,
etc. The jury evaluates only perceived effectiveness at attracting people
to TW.


- www.tiddlywiki.com*/poster* - this url must be mentioned. They will be
met by the poster there with a link to tiddlywiki.com


- SVG format ideally, but if not available in your software then use
*jpeg*, *tiff* or *png* (unless some expert here objects). The idea is
anyone can print it on a common color printer but SVG is particularly good
for embedding on the website.


- Size - 210mm × 279mm (8.26" × 11") to work both for European (A4)
and North American (letter size) paper BUT you should probably include some
margin in this because printers often add this. Pure text typically has
25mm/1" margin.
Portrait or landscape does not matter.


- e-mail contributions to *boards.mm at gmail.com* with subject title
*Poster*


Yes, of course you can send in multiple different candidates! Maybe add a
black/white version? Not necessary to win, but good for TW. There is only
one winner but all contributions will be available for use in (only)
TiddlyWiki contexts.


Tips

A good framework for designing an effective poster is the well known AIDA
formula;

- get the *A*ttention ("catch the eye"),
- create *I*nterest ("hm, wiki what?"),
- create *D*esire ("...oh, I could use that for ... !")
- stimulate *A*ction ("I'm must go to tw.com now!")



It is my absolute belief that the most valuable contribution the majority
of us here can do is to get more members to our community. This is the
prerequisite for everything else, including more development.

...so get a pen and paper or switch over to that graphics software you've
got - now! ;-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-11 02:50:24 UTC
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This looks pretty interesting, working on a concept right now. Should the
entries be posted here too for reference?
Post by Mat
Fellow tiddlywikians,
Win $100 contributed, in your name, to the guidebook Inside TiddlyWiki -
the Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>
by expert TW developer and expert TW educator Eric Shulman.
*...by designing a A4/letter sized poster that attracts people to
TiddlyWiki*
It should be ready for simple print out, with a common printer, to put up
on university billboards, in corporate lunch rooms, taped on the lab door,
public outdoor billboards, community houses, etc. This is a rare
opportunity to contribute to our community without being a programmer! Or a
spender for that matter ;-)
The competition will run December out and the winner will be announced
shortly thereafter and the prize will be transferred to the Inside
TiddlyWiki project. The grand jury is... well, let's just say it's as small
as it gets and highly subjective ;-)
Critera
- The purpose of the poster is to get the maximum number of new people
to try out TW.
Beautiful graphics, ugly sketches, 3-D tiddlers or 3-year toddlers -
use whatever it takes to get people to try TW. Ok, no profanity, false
claims, etc. The jury evaluates only perceived effectiveness at attracting
people to TW.
- www.tiddlywiki.com*/poster* - this url must be mentioned. They will
be met by the poster there with a link to tiddlywiki.com
- SVG format ideally, but if not available in your software then use
*jpeg*, *tiff* or *png* (unless some expert here objects). The idea is
anyone can print it on a common color printer but SVG is particularly good
for embedding on the website.
- Size - 210mm × 279mm (8.26" × 11") to work both for European (A4)
and North American (letter size) paper BUT you should probably include some
margin in this because printers often add this. Pure text typically has
25mm/1" margin.
Portrait or landscape does not matter.
- e-mail contributions to *boards.mm <http://boards.mm> at gmail.com
<http://gmail.com>* with subject title *Poster*
Yes, of course you can send in multiple different candidates! Maybe add a
black/white version? Not necessary to win, but good for TW. There is only
one winner but all contributions will be available for use in (only)
TiddlyWiki contexts.
Tips
A good framework for designing an effective poster is the well known AIDA
formula;
- get the *A*ttention ("catch the eye"),
- create *I*nterest ("hm, wiki what?"),
- create *D*esire ("...oh, I could use that for ... !")
- stimulate *A*ction ("I'm must go to tw.com now!")
It is my absolute belief that the most valuable contribution the majority
of us here can do is to get more members to our community. This is the
prerequisite for everything else, including more development.
...so get a pen and paper or switch over to that graphics software you've
got - now! ;-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-11 04:30:03 UTC
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<Loading Image...>

<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HVauCVR23zI/VIkdwxPJlJI/AAAAAAAAH_Y/JTQzLttEyNs/s1600/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg>
Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?
The text is generic, may be adjusted to whatever you want later, its was
designed in Inkscape so the original is a full vector artwork available in
SVG format:
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-11 04:33:04 UTC
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<Loading Image...>
Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?
The text is generic, may be adjusted to whatever you want later, its was
designed in Inkscape so the original is a full vector artwork available in
SVG:
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Birthe C
2014-12-11 08:23:14 UTC
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Hi Duarte
Lovely fish, beautifully coloured. We could pick colours from that for many
a TiddlyWiki palette.


Birthe

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 5:33:04 AM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg>
Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?
The text is generic, may be adjusted to whatever you want later, its was
designed in Inkscape so the original is a full vector artwork available in
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Tobias Beer
2014-12-11 09:39:59 UTC
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Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?
It's pretty awesome, is what I think.
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Mat
2014-12-11 16:51:09 UTC
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Thank you Duarte!

As jury (er, I mean, as part of the *grand* jury, of course) I will
intentionally refrain from expressing what I think of it right now other
than to say that you're clearly displaying graphical skill. As mentioned
previously, this is not a criteria *per se* for the purpose described so I
hope nobody gets scared off.

As an encouragement to everybody - this actually is the *only* contibution
coming in thus far! You can't let Duarte win this without any competition,
can you? Consider that you're doing it for the improvement of TW and that
you win the *$100 perks* in the Inside Tiddlywiki: the Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>:

- Participate in online review and feedback
- PLUS listed as a "Sponsor of Inside TiddlyWiki" online and in the
final publication
- PLUS credit for one hour of private consulting to evaluate/debug one
of your original TiddlyWiki documents.


This last bullet alone - one hour of private consultation from a Silicon
Valley programming expert specialized in TiddlyWiki - is worth many times
the $100.


Have you dismissed some things as "so difficult I don't even know where to
start so I'll just leave it...but it would be fantastic if... " - well,
Eric can help you!

Imagine talking with Eric *right now* - what would you bring up?


<:-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-11 18:00:57 UTC
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Whether I win this or not I think that book is a very noble cause and I'll
probably consider donating in the future anyway. Is this book targeted for
tiddlywiki classic, or for TW5?

I hope it's the later, I was a TiddlyWiki classic user quite a few years
ago, I am strongly considering coming back to TW5 given it's power and new
features, but being a mere user with very limited coding skills the lack of
documentation is still an issue for me.
Having that book as a TiddlyWiki I can refer to any time will be a great
bonus
Post by Mat
Thank you Duarte!
As jury (er, I mean, as part of the *grand* jury, of course) I will
intentionally refrain from expressing what I think of it right now other
than to say that you're clearly displaying graphical skill. As mentioned
previously, this is not a criteria *per se* for the purpose described so
I hope nobody gets scared off.
As an encouragement to everybody - this actually is the *only*
contibution coming in thus far! You can't let Duarte win this without any
competition, can you? Consider that you're doing it for the improvement of
TW and that you win the *$100 perks* in the Inside Tiddlywiki: the
Missing Manual
- Participate in online review and feedback
- PLUS listed as a "Sponsor of Inside TiddlyWiki" online and in the
final publication
- PLUS credit for one hour of private consulting to evaluate/debug one
of your original TiddlyWiki documents.
This last bullet alone - one hour of private consultation from a Silicon
Valley programming expert specialized in TiddlyWiki - is worth many times
the $100.
Have you dismissed some things as "so difficult I don't even know where to
start so I'll just leave it...but it would be fantastic if... " - well,
Eric can help you!
Imagine talking with Eric *right now* - what would you bring up?
<:-)
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Tobias Beer
2014-12-11 17:30:58 UTC
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It's got something organic to chew on, producing some rather clear output
(not sure about the metaphor :D ) ...it's got a bit of a techie, edgy feel,
but playful ...it's futuristic, but an animal ... simple, but colorful as a
rainbow. Kinda cute.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-11 17:40:07 UTC
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Thanks everyone for the positive feedback.

Haha didn't know about the babel fish from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy, so that must be where the name of the old yahoo translation website
came from.

I did forget to mention the ideia behind it all, this was actually inspired
by an idea that ran quite some time ago back when you were searching for an
official icon for TiddlyWiki. I always thought the word *tiddler *came from
*tiddly* as small or compact and simple, but apparently as Stephen
mentioned it is also a fish species whose scientific name, according to
Wikipedia, is Three-Spined Stickleback.
Doing a Google search I found a few nice images which I use as reference
reference, and the colors are actually more or less accurate according to
the last image found in this website <http://imgkid.com/stickleback.shtml>,
with some artistic liberties in the mix of course.

So it should be pretty straightforward now, the fish obviously came from
the "tiddler" species, and those lines, that "go in" all tangled and "come
out" straight and lined up represent how tiddlywiki is great for organizing
and displaying your information in a neat and customizable fashion. The
triangulated "low poly" style
<https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&lr=lang_en|lang_pt&q=low%20poly%20vector>
seems to be pretty much "the thing" currently throughout the internet, did
my best to capture that feeling.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-13 01:05:35 UTC
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<Loading Image...>
Updated version with some small color tweaks and size adjustments to better
fit new paper size, also added a slight shadow to help the little tiddler
pop out a little more.
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback.
Haha didn't know about the babel fish from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy, so that must be where the name of the old yahoo translation website
came from.
I did forget to mention the ideia behind it all, this was actually
inspired by an idea that ran quite some time ago back when you were
searching for an official icon for TiddlyWiki. I always thought the word *tiddler
*came from *tiddly* as small or compact and simple, but apparently as
Stephen mentioned it is also a fish species whose scientific name,
according to Wikipedia, is Three-Spined Stickleback.
Doing a Google search I found a few nice images which I use as reference
reference, and the colors are actually more or less accurate according to
the last image found in this website <http://imgkid.com/stickleback.shtml>,
with some artistic liberties in the mix of course.
So it should be pretty straightforward now, the fish obviously came from
the "tiddler" species, and those lines, that "go in" all tangled and "come
out" straight and lined up represent how tiddlywiki is great for organizing
and displaying your information in a neat and customizable fashion. The
triangulated "low poly" style
<https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&lr=lang_en%7Clang_pt&q=low%20poly%20vector>
seems to be pretty much "the thing" currently throughout the internet, did
my best to capture that feeling.
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'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
2014-12-11 13:07:47 UTC
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My immediate thought was that it was a Babel fish. Aren't Babel fish was
yellow? (And if you don't know what a Babel fish is then you need to refer
to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.) On further thought, its that
European fish with the slang name tiddler.

It's very nice. I can see us using that on the HelloThere page.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-11 18:12:38 UTC
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<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg>
Ok, original file updated with some small tweaks. Added a soft background
and fixed some typos and text.
As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more
"official" sounding should probably be written by the developers or the
knowledgeable people here
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Jon
2014-12-11 18:59:08 UTC
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those lines, that "go in" all tangled and "come out" straight and lined up
represent how tiddlywiki is great for organizing and displaying your
information in a neat and customizable fashion.
I think it's stunning but funnily enough I read the lines the other way
round - that the straight lines were what went in, and what came out was
something more organic, representing the various interactions of individual
tiddlers producing a variety of possible stories.
Jon.
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg>
Ok, original file updated with some small tweaks. Added a soft background
and fixed some typos and text.
As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more
"official" sounding should probably be written by the developers or the
knowledgeable people here
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Mat
2014-12-11 19:33:45 UTC
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Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more
"official" sounding should probably be written by the developers or the
knowledgeable people here
While "the developers or the knowledgeable people here" can correct
possible factual errors you may write, I should point out that those people
probably not representative of the people who will see your poster up on
walls over the world (should it win). In other words; I strongly urge you
to actually phrase the words so that it will be the poster that you think
would attract the maximum number of people to try out TW. Factual errors
are disregarded and can be corrected later, but your disclaimer is almost
saying "I've created half of a poster" which is not fair to yourself
because you did clearly put thought into the text.

Now that said, your point does raise an important aspect: This competition
and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW community (us!) so it
should be clear that all contributions belong to the community and can be
manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW. Allowing for the text to be
easily changed for local demographics (languages, tech vs non-tech people,
age...) is very good. Still, to actually phrase the words is part of the
poster and part of the challenge.

@Jeremy
BTW, if Jeremy is positive, maybe tw.com could host more than a single
poster for easy access and download (maybe at .../posters). But there is
still only one winning poster in the competition, of course.

Thank you for your contribution Duarte!


<:-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-12 02:27:39 UTC
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I did give some thought about what I wrote, those are the features that
stand out the most to me, I may want think a little and rephrase them a
little better for an eventual final version though, or perhaps even gather
the top ideas from the "common folk" in this community and make a
collection.
I was however actually more concerned about any technical inaccuracies I
could inadvertently write, but that sounds like a good idea, keeping an
editable format around for the community to be able to adapt the poster to
any particular event/language/target audience that may be arise. Or perhaps
alternatively contemplate some blank space specifically for that purpose in
the very design of the wining poster, so that whoever prints it can add any
local information.
If need arises I can help translate any texts to Portuguese, my native
language

Most welcome, my pleasure to participate.
Post by Mat
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more
"official" sounding should probably be written by the developers or the
knowledgeable people here
While "the developers or the knowledgeable people here" can correct
possible factual errors you may write, I should point out that those people
probably not representative of the people who will see your poster up on
walls over the world (should it win). In other words; I strongly urge you
to actually phrase the words so that it will be the poster that you think
would attract the maximum number of people to try out TW. Factual errors
are disregarded and can be corrected later, but your disclaimer is almost
saying "I've created half of a poster" which is not fair to yourself
because you did clearly put thought into the text.
Now that said, your point does raise an important aspect: This competition
and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW community (us!) so it
should be clear that all contributions belong to the community and can be
manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW. Allowing for the text to be
easily changed for local demographics (languages, tech vs non-tech people,
age...) is very good. Still, to actually phrase the words is part of the
poster and part of the challenge.
@Jeremy
BTW, if Jeremy is positive, maybe tw.com could host more than a single
poster for easy access and download (maybe at .../posters). But there is
still only one winning poster in the competition, of course.
Thank you for your contribution Duarte!
<:-)
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David Gifford
2014-12-11 23:28:36 UTC
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Hi all

Don't consider this a contest entry, just a suggestion for the poster text.
Were I a graphic designer I would put bundles of light gray tiddler icons
to the left and right of the text, linked to each other blue lines to show
that the tiddlers are connected like a network. Instead I offer this
accompanying text for your consideration. Could go with the pooping fish
design or some other design. Blessings.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-12 02:41:37 UTC
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<Loading Image...>
Hahahah "the pooping fish design" made me laugh, nice nickname!
The "connecting words" is actually a great idea, made a new poster based on
the concept more abstract design if you are more into that sort of thing.
Think wikiwords, tags and links that connect tiddlers together in a complex
global network mesh, hope you like it.

On a side note, also updated the original poster to match the correct
required dimensions, realized I had specified the wrong paper size.
Post by David Gifford
Hi all
Don't consider this a contest entry, just a suggestion for the poster
text. Were I a graphic designer I would put bundles of light gray tiddler
icons to the left and right of the text, linked to each other blue lines to
show that the tiddlers are connected like a network. Instead I offer this
accompanying text for your consideration. Could go with the pooping fish
design or some other design. Blessings.
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Eric Shulman
2014-12-12 07:34:30 UTC
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On Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:41:37 PM UTC-8, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg>
Hahahah "the pooping fish design" made me laugh, nice nickname!
The "connecting words" is actually a great idea, made a new poster based
on the concept more abstract design if you are more into that sort of thing.
Think wikiwords, tags and links that connect tiddlers together in a
complex global network mesh, hope you like it.
Suggestion: make the "crystal" shape in the middle a classic symmetric
diamond cut (58 triangular and kite-shaped facets)... the implication being
that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together in an organized
way makes a very valuable result.

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-13 00:23:47 UTC
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<Loading Image...>
What do you think, @Eric Shulman?

Once again, all proposals are full vector artworks, drawn in Inkscape, and
available as SVG files for native inclusion in tiddlywiki.
This one had an auxiliary 3D model in Blender to get the diamond shape just
right.
Post by Eric Shulman
On Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:41:37 PM UTC-8, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg>
Hahahah "the pooping fish design" made me laugh, nice nickname!
The "connecting words" is actually a great idea, made a new poster based
on the concept more abstract design if you are more into that sort of thing.
Think wikiwords, tags and links that connect tiddlers together in a
complex global network mesh, hope you like it.
Suggestion: make the "crystal" shape in the middle a classic symmetric
diamond cut (58 triangular and kite-shaped facets)... the implication being
that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together in an organized
way makes a very valuable result.
http://ddca.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CutDiagramScaled.png
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Andreas Hahn
2014-12-13 00:47:10 UTC
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Once again, all proposals are full vector artworks, drawn in Inkscape,
and available as SVG files for native inclusion in tiddlywiki.
This one had an auxiliary 3D model in Blender to get the diamond shape
just right.
And once again, it looks very nice. I really like the idea of trying to
expressing the concept of TiddlyWiki through geometric shapes. I however
also think that any text included in such
a poster should be easily readable and particularly the bottom text
might be a bit too much grey on grey ?

/Andreas
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-13 01:02:36 UTC
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Right you are, should any of tese posters win, some color adjustments to
the text might have to be made. Some times what's more "visually appealing"
is not always easier to read.
Also, if these are to be print-ready, those backgrounds might be a little
environment unfriendly and cost ineffective, and color ink might not always
be available so maybe a monochrome version might be in order.
Post by Andreas Hahn
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Once again, all proposals are full vector artworks, drawn in Inkscape,
and available as SVG files for native inclusion in tiddlywiki.
This one had an auxiliary 3D model in Blender to get the diamond shape
just right.
And once again, it looks very nice. I really like the idea of trying to
expressing the concept of TiddlyWiki through geometric shapes. I however
also think that any text included in such
a poster should be easily readable and particularly the bottom text
might be a bit too much grey on grey ?
/Andreas
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-12 02:13:30 UTC
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<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg>
Hahahahah "the pooping fish design" made me laugh! Nice nickname
The "connecting nodes" is actually a great idea too, made something else
based on that idea, a bit more abstract design this time around if you are
more into that sort of thing. Hope you like it.

On a side note, also updated the original design again, realized it had the
wrong page size
Post by David Gifford
Hi all
Don't consider this a contest entry, just a suggestion for the poster
text. Were I a graphic designer I would put bundles of light gray tiddler
icons to the left and right of the text, linked to each other blue lines to
show that the tiddlers are connected like a network. Instead I offer this
accompanying text for your consideration. Could go with the pooping fish
design or some other design. Blessings.
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Felix Küppers
2014-12-13 18:48:34 UTC
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@David - Just wanted to say, I really like your text (and the word styling
of the words "links" and "tags" is also a great idea). Its clean and
simple, yet creates interest.

Felix
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'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
2014-12-12 03:30:16 UTC
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I have about artistic ability as a can of beans but if it will help prompt
a few more folks to turn something into the competition... Here are two
entries from me.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-12 03:51:29 UTC
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Pretty funny posters eheh, really like the planet one, the sublte glow and
fish overlay really give it some meaning
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I have about artistic ability as a can of beans but if it will help prompt
a few more folks to turn something into the competition... Here are two
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Birthe C
2014-12-12 09:36:21 UTC
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Hi Stephen
The prescription is my favourit. I seem to have problems finding the right
daily dose though.


Birthe
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I have about artistic ability as a can of beans but if it will help prompt
a few more folks to turn something into the competition... Here are two
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Tobias Beer
2014-12-12 13:05:59 UTC
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The prescription is my favourit. I seem to have problems finding the
right daily dose though.
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'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
2014-12-13 18:05:50 UTC
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I think that the poster graphic should be an integral part of the message.
It can't be just a pretty picture; it must convey its own message as well.
That's part of why I like the fish version better than the diamond. It has
TiddlyWiki represented by the fish (I doubt that anyone on this side of the
pond will see the picture and think "Oh, that's a stylized three spined
stickleback also known as a tiddler) sucking in chaos and pooping out
order. The diamond... something valuable with scaffolding perhaps?

One of the dictums they teach every beginning writer is to "Show not Tell."
Obviously showing what TiddlyWiki can do on a poster is a lot harder than
just telling is going to be a challenge but I think the graphic should make
the attempt.

By the way, Duarte, my favorite of the posters suggested so far, is your
fish.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-13 19:11:42 UTC
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That's what I tried to achieve with the images here to a certain extent:

- The fish represents the tiddler
- The "crystal" and nodes represent how the several linking elements
(links, tags, wikiwords,etc.) constitute the backbone of a tiddlywiki
- And the diamond resulted fromEric Shulman's suggestion and I quote
"implication being that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together
in an organized way makes a very valuable result" - and solid if I may add

Although has you said conveying through images the abstract concepts of a
"wiki" and "information" is very hard, and not always universal (like the
fish, in Portuguese for example a *tiddler *means absolutely nothing).

Still we can start aiming here on the opposite direction and perhaps
instead try to associate a strong (even if somewhat random) image with
tiddywiki brand
Post by 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I think that the poster graphic should be an integral part of the message.
It can't be just a pretty picture; it must convey its own message as well.
That's part of why I like the fish version better than the diamond. It has
TiddlyWiki represented by the fish (I doubt that anyone on this side of the
pond will see the picture and think "Oh, that's a stylized three spined
stickleback also known as a tiddler) sucking in chaos and pooping out
order. The diamond... something valuable with scaffolding perhaps?
One of the dictums they teach every beginning writer is to "Show not
Tell." Obviously showing what TiddlyWiki can do on a poster is a lot harder
than just telling is going to be a challenge but I think the graphic should
make the attempt.
By the way, Duarte, my favorite of the posters suggested so far, is your
fish.
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wimm
2014-12-15 06:25:47 UTC
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This is my attempt
WiM
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-15 12:32:36 UTC
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This is probably the best attempt at graphically expressing what the
tiddlywiki functionality is. Pretty cool
Post by wimm
This is my attempt
WiM
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Felix Küppers
2014-12-15 16:23:49 UTC
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Hi WiM,

this is really a cool picture!

Under which license did you publish it? Would you mind granting me the
rights to use it as it I want to use it for my tw-taskgraph plugin :)

Your graphical elements really look like the nodes in taskgraph.

See the demo here: http://wkpr.de/hosting/tmp/tw5/taskgraph/

Felix
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This is my attempt
WiM
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Matias Goldman
2014-12-15 17:27:07 UTC
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Under which license did you publish it? Would you mind granting me the
rights to use it as it I want to use it for my tw-taskgraph plugin :)
Yes WiM, great that you're contributing!

Felix, while it of course is nice that you ask WiM, I stated in an earlier
message that:

This competition and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW
Post by Felix Küppers
community (us!) so it should be clear that all contributions belong to the
community and can be manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW.
I would include promoting your tw-taskgraph in promoting TW.

<:-)
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2014-12-15 18:17:18 UTC
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second attempt added some text (required according to the rules ;-)
WiM
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2014-12-15 19:02:50 UTC
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Post by wimm
second attempt added some text (required according to the rules ;-)
WiM
Sorry if I've been unclear: text is* not at all required*. The
contributions are judged according to how well they are perceived to
accomplish the goal i.e to attract people to try out TW. It could be a
poster showing... well just anything, at least hypothetically.

The point I made on Dec. 11 regarding text was that a poster with a mere
"dedicated space" for text is not good because it is not something anyone
can actually use. It is not a finished poster for anyone to simply print
out. But if your poster is *supposed* to look a certain way, with or
without text (or images, or whatever) then, hey, go ahead!

I'm sorry if I was unclear but I'm happy you brought this up! Don't
hesitate to tell me if there's anything unclear.

Again, WiM, thank you for your contribution!!!

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Mat
2014-12-15 19:09:22 UTC
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@everybody

One more thing; please note that it is not necessary to post your poster
here in the google group. You can also email to me at: *boardsmm at gmail
dot com* as I stated in the introductory announcement.

Notice that the competition is for the good of TW - *we want the best
poster -(s?) possible for TW* - so, just like with TW and open source, it
is fully allowed to take ideas from others and improve on them. This means
it is also a "risk" putting up your contributions on the boards.


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Felix Küppers
2014-12-15 19:10:11 UTC
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Felix, while it of course is nice that you ask WiM, I stated in an earlier
This competition and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW
Post by Felix Küppers
community (us!) so it should be clear that all contributions belong to the
community and can be manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW.
I would include promoting your tw-taskgraph in promoting TW.
Nice! Thanks for this clarification Mat! The I will use it for my purposes.
:)

Felix
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2014-12-15 20:10:57 UTC
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Felix,
your welcome
WiM
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Felix,
your welcome
WiM
Thanks WiM!
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-15 22:57:27 UTC
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Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape users
community page on Google+
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Felix,
Post by wimm
your welcome
WiM
Thanks WiM!
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2014-12-15 23:35:57 UTC
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:57:27 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape users
community page on Google+
I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are
*intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the presumption
that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the TiddlyWiki
community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall forver be
silent.

However, I'm thinking we should add a small "Copyright © TiddlyWiki
community" on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other
part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback
dealer, to name one fishy guy.

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Alex Hough
2014-12-16 21:39:04 UTC
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I think it would be good to reach out to the StickleBack community. There
is a potential source of imagery, information to extend the small fish
metaphor.

My current favourite StickleBack researcher is Jolle Jolles [1]


He reports [2]:


Research carried out in the Zoology Department at the University of
Cambridge suggests that observations of these tiny fish, and how they
interact with one another, could provide important insights into the
dynamics of social groups, including humans.


The video of the research gives some indication of the quality of images
being produced - of individuals and schools.


Alex
[1] http://jollejolles.com/

[2]
http://jollejolles.com/bold-fish-less-sociable-thereby-affect-leadership-group-coordination/
[3]

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Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape users
community page on Google+
I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are
*intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the
presumption that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the
TiddlyWiki community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall
forver be silent.
However, I'm thinking we should add a small "Copyright © TiddlyWiki
community" on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other
part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback
dealer, to name one fishy guy.
<:-)
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Alex Hough
2014-12-17 00:43:54 UTC
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Ok.... here we go... a personal non linear online notebook exploring
sticklebacks and TiddlyWiki


http://sticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/


Alex
Post by Alex Hough
I think it would be good to reach out to the StickleBack community. There
is a potential source of imagery, information to extend the small fish
metaphor.
My current favourite StickleBack researcher is Jolle Jolles [1]
Research carried out in the Zoology Department at the University of
Cambridge suggests that observations of these tiny fish, and how they
interact with one another, could provide important insights into the
dynamics of social groups, including humans.
The video of the research gives some indication of the quality of images
being produced - of individuals and schools.
Alex
[1] http://jollejolles.com/
[2]
http://jollejolles.com/bold-fish-less-sociable-thereby-affect-leadership-group-coordination/
[3]
http://youtu.be/5TSim9TkXiw
Post by Mat
On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:57:27 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape
users community page on Google+
I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are
*intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the
presumption that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the
TiddlyWiki community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall
forver be silent.
However, I'm thinking we should add a small "Copyright © TiddlyWiki
community" on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other
part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback
dealer, to name one fishy guy.
<:-)
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Birthe C
2014-12-17 02:25:01 UTC
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Hi Alex,

When I saw your former links I couldn't help thinking, "but where are the
tiddlers?" I did not have to worry for long ;-). Nice to see tiddlers
holding several sticklebacks. And the big black one running over the
screen, so funny.


Birthe
Post by Alex Hough
Ok.... here we go... a personal non linear online notebook exploring
sticklebacks and TiddlyWiki
http://sticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/
Alex
Post by Alex Hough
I think it would be good to reach out to the StickleBack community. There
is a potential source of imagery, information to extend the small fish
metaphor.
My current favourite StickleBack researcher is Jolle Jolles [1]
Research carried out in the Zoology Department at the University of
Cambridge suggests that observations of these tiny fish, and how they
interact with one another, could provide important insights into the
dynamics of social groups, including humans.
The video of the research gives some indication of the quality of images
being produced - of individuals and schools.
Alex
[1] http://jollejolles.com/
[2]
http://jollejolles.com/bold-fish-less-sociable-thereby-affect-leadership-group-coordination/
[3]
http://youtu.be/5TSim9TkXiw
Post by Mat
On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:57:27 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape
users community page on Google+
I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are
*intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the
presumption that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the
TiddlyWiki community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall
forver be silent.
However, I'm thinking we should add a small "Copyright © TiddlyWiki
community" on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other
part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback
dealer, to name one fishy guy.
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Birthe C
2014-12-17 02:29:38 UTC
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Hi Alex,

When I saw your former links I couldn't help thinking, "but where are the
tiddlers?" I did not have to worry for long ;-). Nice to see tiddlers
holding several sticklebacks. And the big black one running over the
screen, so funny.

Birthe
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Birthe C
2014-12-17 05:04:32 UTC
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Hi Alex,

When I saw your former links I couldn't help thinking, "but where are the
tiddlers?" I did not have to worry for long ;-). Nice to see tiddlers
holding several sticklebacks. And the big black one running over the
screen, so funny.

Biggest tiddler caught
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647125/Britains-biggest-tiddler-Angler-catches-biggest-stickleback-Britain-second-year-three-grams-heavier-one-caught-year.html>


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2014-12-17 21:38:51 UTC
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Post by Alex Hough
http://sticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGb7gBj-en5RrH146OzLBIr-g9UXg>
Ya gotta love it! Scrolling down, I got a bit scared of the Teenage Mutant
Ninja Tiddlers tho. Tiddlers are supposed to be small chunks, but those is
clearly something with too much content. Sections or divs or something.

If we have a $100 video competition, that one is in the lead so far.

Speaking of the competition: Do keep the contributions coming, here or to
above stated email. And do suggest ideas too.

<:-)
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wimm
2014-12-22 13:33:32 UTC
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Version 4 includes QR code and a stickleback (stekelbaarsje). Ppt/Pdf/Svg
also available.
K.R.
WiM
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Felix Küppers
2014-12-22 14:21:21 UTC
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Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD
- http://gruntjs.com/
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

Maybe that's also worth a thought at some point If we think of developing a
corporate design.

-Felix
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2014-12-22 15:04:39 UTC
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WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea
with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of
manually typing the url, right?
There has been detabe on this before
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ>.
I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg> is probably as close as it gets.

<:-)
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2014-12-22 20:35:40 UTC
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Post by Mat
WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea
with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of
manually typing the url, right?
<Loading Image...>

http://www.tiddlywiki.com
The QR-code can be scanned with your smart phone camera and an app, it will
display the URL and then allows you to jump to the site with the browser.
Post by Mat
There has been detabe on this before
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ>.
I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg> is probably as close as it gets.
Attached my version with Motovun Jack-logo and -pictures in pdf format.
Motovun Jack images are of course (c) by Jeremy Ruston .
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2014-12-22 20:58:19 UTC
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Hi Felix, Mat,
Post by Felix Küppers
Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have
I think of Motovun Jack as being more of a mascot than a logo. The
distinction being that a logo is generally intended to be reproduced in a
consistent style/colours etc., whereas a mascot can be morphed and changed
to suit the purpose at hand.

The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is
full of tiddlers...

The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in
Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've
uploaded a bunch of the other photos here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/

Best wishes

Jeremy
Post by Felix Küppers
WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea
with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of
manually typing the url, right?
There has been detabe on this before
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ>.
I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg> is probably as close as it gets.
<:-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-22 21:29:34 UTC
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Thanks for the explanation, Jeremy, I've always been intrigued by that cat,
and wondered were it came from or why it is featured frequently in
tiddlywiki matters.
Now that is one curious story, thanks for sharing!
Post by Jeremy Ruston
Hi Felix, Mat,
Post by Felix Küppers
Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have
I think of Motovun Jack as being more of a mascot than a logo. The
distinction being that a logo is generally intended to be reproduced in a
consistent style/colours etc., whereas a mascot can be morphed and changed
to suit the purpose at hand.
The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is
full of tiddlers...
The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in
Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/
Best wishes
Jeremy
Post by Felix Küppers
WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea
with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of
manually typing the url, right?
There has been detabe on this before
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ>.
I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg> is probably as close as it gets.
<:-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2014-12-22 21:32:30 UTC
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Thanks for that explanation, Jeremy, I've always been intrigued by that
cat, and wondered were it came from or why it is featured frequently in
tiddlywiki related matters.
Now that is one curious story, thanks for sharing! This should definitely
be officially featured in tiddlywiki.com as label for the image. :)
Post by Jeremy Ruston
Hi Felix, Mat,
Post by Felix Küppers
Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have
I think of Motovun Jack as being more of a mascot than a logo. The
distinction being that a logo is generally intended to be reproduced in a
consistent style/colours etc., whereas a mascot can be morphed and changed
to suit the purpose at hand.
The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is
full of tiddlers...
The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in
Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/
Best wishes
Jeremy
Post by Felix Küppers
WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea
with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of
manually typing the url, right?
There has been detabe on this before
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ>.
I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg> is probably as close as it gets.
<:-)
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Felix Küppers
2014-12-23 14:22:32 UTC
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Hi Jeremy

The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is
Post by Jeremy Ruston
full of tiddlers...
Nice allegory.

The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in
Post by Jeremy Ruston
Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/
Truly amazing pictures in all your albums.

-Felix
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2014-12-23 14:27:22 UTC
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Post by Felix Küppers
Truly amazing pictures in all your albums.
Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really
:)

Best wishes

Jeremy.
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-Felix
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Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really
:)
Hehe, must be a camera then that has a great sense for mood, and for
situations full of ambiance :)
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Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really
:)
But of course, haha! I can only agree w Felix - those are some terrific
pictures!!

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2014-12-23 21:29:47 UTC
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[image: Inline images 1]

Some kind of logo made from WikiText

! ! !
< * ]]~~~~~~~ >< ]]
#
Post by Jeremy Ruston
Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really
:)
But of course, haha! I can only agree w Felix - those are some terrific
pictures!!
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2014-12-24 08:17:20 UTC
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Hi Alex
Post by Alex Hough
[image: Inline images 1]
Some kind of logo made from WikiText
! ! !
< * ]]~~~~~~~ >< ]]
#
Very good. We could do with an ASCII art logo for embedding into the source
code...

Best wishes

Jeremy.
Post by Alex Hough
Post by Jeremy Ruston
Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work
really :)
But of course, haha! I can only agree w Felix - those are some terrific
pictures!!
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2015-01-01 22:17:50 UTC
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Dear friends!

*December has ended - so who is the winner in the poster competition?*


...well, a thing has come up that makes me extend the contribution period a
few days:

Eric is temporarily increasing the perks
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/AqkBKKsGtkQ>
for the contributions to the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>
project!

He is giving a special super duper perk week and generiously gave
persmission for the poster competition to ride on this! This means the
winner - maybe YOU - will make it to the $500 "PARTNER" PERK level and win:

* access to the "Inside TiddlyWiki" discussion group, where you can review
early drafts of book content
* listed in the book credits as a "Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki"
* an autographed, "first edition" PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED BOOK
* 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services
Obviously all poster contributions thus far are potential candidates for
this. But now you guys who have not yet put down your ideas into a poster -
do so NOW and post it here or send it to me!


The WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK END
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º> <http://tiddlywiki.com>

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}<!!!!!;( º> <http://tiddlywiki.com>

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Click on a Tiddler to take you home

Grow you own

[[ }<'''';( º> ]]
[[ < º ;)!!!!'>{ ]]


Alex

< º );Cut and Paste the below into your TiddlyWiki >{

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| eye | º * |
| gill | ( |
|tail | } 圡 |
|body | //o //|

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(◕ ))))))) ><<


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looking for stickleback fish, three spines

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Japanese Fish text emoticon

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Post by Mat
Dear friends!
*December has ended - so who is the winner in the poster competition?*
...well, a thing has come up that makes me extend the contribution period
Eric is temporarily increasing the perks
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/AqkBKKsGtkQ>
for the contributions to the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>
project!
He is giving a special super duper perk week and generiously gave
persmission for the poster competition to ride on this! This means the
* access to the "Inside TiddlyWiki" discussion group, where you can review
early drafts of book content
* listed in the book credits as a "Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki"
* an autographed, "first edition" PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED BOOK
* 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services
Obviously all poster contributions thus far are potential candidates for
this. But now you guys who have not yet put down your ideas into a poster -
do so NOW and post it here or send it to me!
The WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK END
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Alex Hough
2015-01-02 23:25:49 UTC
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More fish here

http://asciifish.tiddlyspot.com/

please let me know what you think!

Alex
Post by Alex Hough
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Post by Mat
Dear friends!
*December has ended - so who is the winner in the poster competition?*
...well, a thing has come up that makes me extend the contribution period
Eric is temporarily increasing the perks
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/AqkBKKsGtkQ>
for the contributions to the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>
project!
He is giving a special super duper perk week and generiously gave
persmission for the poster competition to ride on this! This means the
* access to the "Inside TiddlyWiki" discussion group, where you can
review early drafts of book content
* listed in the book credits as a "Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki"
* an autographed, "first edition" PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED
BOOK
* 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services
Obviously all poster contributions thus far are potential candidates for
this. But now you guys who have not yet put down your ideas into a poster -
do so NOW and post it here or send it to me!
The WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK END
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Handoko Suwono
2015-01-03 04:37:58 UTC
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I am eager to see the outcome.

I have seen a few of them, they are good. Isn't it possible for us to vote
for one which has the most likes to win or as part of the weighted average
on winning? If that so you should make them paraded for awhile before
deciding the best.

Handoko -
Post by Mat
Fellow tiddlywikians,
Win $100 contributed, in your name, to the guidebook Inside TiddlyWiki -
the Missing Manual
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>
by expert TW developer and expert TW educator Eric Shulman.
*...by designing a A4/letter sized poster that attracts people to
TiddlyWiki*
It should be ready for simple print out, with a common printer, to put up
on university billboards, in corporate lunch rooms, taped on the lab door,
public outdoor billboards, community houses, etc. This is a rare
opportunity to contribute to our community without being a programmer! Or a
spender for that matter ;-)
The competition will run December out and the winner will be announced
shortly thereafter and the prize will be transferred to the Inside
TiddlyWiki project. The grand jury is... well, let's just say it's as small
as it gets and highly subjective ;-)
Critera
- The purpose of the poster is to get the maximum number of new people
to try out TW.
Beautiful graphics, ugly sketches, 3-D tiddlers or 3-year toddlers -
use whatever it takes to get people to try TW. Ok, no profanity, false
claims, etc. The jury evaluates only perceived effectiveness at attracting
people to TW.
- www.tiddlywiki.com*/poster* - this url must be mentioned. They will
be met by the poster there with a link to tiddlywiki.com
- SVG format ideally, but if not available in your software then use
*jpeg*, *tiff* or *png* (unless some expert here objects). The idea is
anyone can print it on a common color printer but SVG is particularly good
for embedding on the website.
- Size - 210mm × 279mm (8.26" × 11") to work both for European (A4)
and North American (letter size) paper BUT you should probably include some
margin in this because printers often add this. Pure text typically has
25mm/1" margin.
Portrait or landscape does not matter.
- e-mail contributions to *boards.mm <http://boards.mm> at gmail.com
<http://gmail.com>* with subject title *Poster*
Yes, of course you can send in multiple different candidates! Maybe add a
black/white version? Not necessary to win, but good for TW. There is only
one winner but all contributions will be available for use in (only)
TiddlyWiki contexts.
Tips
A good framework for designing an effective poster is the well known AIDA
formula;
- get the *A*ttention ("catch the eye"),
- create *I*nterest ("hm, wiki what?"),
- create *D*esire ("...oh, I could use that for ... !")
- stimulate *A*ction ("I'm must go to tw.com now!")
It is my absolute belief that the most valuable contribution the majority
of us here can do is to get more members to our community. This is the
prerequisite for everything else, including more development.
...so get a pen and paper or switch over to that graphics software you've
got - now! ;-)
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wimm
2015-01-03 12:52:03 UTC
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final attempt

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KR

WiM
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Mat
2015-01-03 22:42:09 UTC
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Dear all!

I am proud to say the jury has reached a decision. And the WINNER is...

Oh, just first, I should mention that the decision process turned out
trickier than expected. In fact, I pulled in assistance from two friends
who work in marketing AND even my fiancee (M.D.) whom I bombarded with a
zillion questions such as "Which ones catch your eye the most?", "If this
appeared on your work place, what would the others think when reading
this?", "Which posters would work better on a board in a stressed and messy
environment - and which ones for a calmer place?", "What would non-tech
people think?", etc. There was particular talk about what creates a
"desire" to go to the webpage.

Well, there was quite a heated debate but in the end there was a next to
unanimous decision. Can you guess? Well the WINNER is:


Oh, just first, we should have a rundown of all the contributions for
everyones enjoyment and for reference.

Here are the final versions of the variants people included. In reviewing
them we looked at earlier versions also (for instance WiMs many touch ups)
but there was an agreement the latest was the best anyway so this did not
affect things. So, here I only include the final versions of the
contributed variants:

*In ARBITRARY, i.e no particular, order:*


WiMs TW Concept (remade into jpg for display here):

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Stephens Ordination:

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World of Stephen:
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Duartes Node Tree:

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Duartes Fish:

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Duartes Diamond:

<Loading Image...>

...and a bonus by Mr. Stickleback himself - AlexHough going ascii (thanx
Alex!!!)

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}<!!!!!;( º> <http://tiddlywiki.com>


We also got encouraging input from several people that has affected some of
the contributions.

So... are you ready?

My warmest contratulations goes to the fisherman - non other than Duarte!

While I explicitly did state that beautiful graphics were not important - *per
se* - it is undeniable that his fish catches the eye. A good catch to say
the least. And you go "hm, what's this". As particularly my fiancee pointed
out, it also creates a first impression of TW namely that it is something
polished and slick. Now, both my marketing friends and I have some opinions
that there probably should be some more "call to action" but on the whole
we were all *very* impressed.

I also want to bring up WiMs contribution. Bri-li-ant! In fact, it is so
good that I have made a version myself which I will put up shortly. (Oooh,
I wish there was a contest ;-)

Of course also my warmest thank you to Stephen! I really liked both the
doctors order (funny!) and the globe (impressive!) I doubt people would
understand it was about some kind of personal wiki, but cool nonetheless!
And I don't think I must mention which one my M.D fiancee liked the most ;-)

GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE CONTE... no, wait.. FOR OUR COMMUNITY, GUYS!


So what happens now? Well, the prize money has already been transferred as
a contribution to Erics Inside TiddlyWiki project (even if via paypal) and
he will, if not already, be informed about Duartes win. BTW, I urge
everyone to take this remaining last day to jump on his SUPER PERK UPGRADE
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>.
I just did myself the other day. Imagine your friends or colleagues seeing
your poster, starting to use TW... only to find out you are also part of
the book!!! And this/these books, Inside TiddlyWiki, will be around for a
looong time, for sure!

Let me also tell you that Jeremy has promised that ALL posters *can* become
available via tw.com meaning that anyone wanting to do a quick printout can
choose whichever is most suitable at that time! However, there are some
file format aspects. In a private conversation, Jeremy wrote:

"Basically, in order to print at decent quality at A3 size we'd need the
JPEG to be around 3,500 by 5,000 pixels. SVG is just the most web-friendly
resolution independent format (decent quality still requires that any
embedded bitmaps be of a sufficiently high resolution)."
Now, the poster competition was about A4 (figuring this is what will result
in the maximum numbers of posters actually put up). But, particularly for
the winning poster, would anyone be willing to help make it perfect
according to Jeremys description? (Yes, we're all looking at you @Duarte ;-)


Ok, thank you guys. It was a great contest and we did it for us!


<:-)
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-03 23:51:11 UTC
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Well I am as humbled as I am surprised that my entry won the contest. Thank
you very much, and congratulations to everyone else who participated, you
are great competition, and there are some really good posters in this
thread.

I am of course available to make any final adjustments to my poster
required to match you standards and requirements. There is always a
somewhat implicit need for some post-contest fine-tuning, even from my
part, as I would myself like to make a few small additions and touch ups
for the final version. So let me know what Jeremy, Mat, Eric or anyone else
requires.

A few questions of my own that stand out the most are:

- Is the poster size really 210mm × *279*mm ? I know we are accounting
for American standard paper sizes, but an ISO A4 paper is 210 x *297*mm.
Just want to make sure it is not a typo.
- The Tiddler fish entry is a full vector SVG drawing (no raster
graphics whatsoever) so there should be no print quality issues at any
size, it can also be export as raster graphics of any required dimensions,
but:
- Shouldn't the "default" poster download file be a PDF file? It is easy
to print directly, well supported (opens everywhere, most current browsers
have built-in PDF viewer), and since it is vector based too, provides a
great balance between file size and quality, and can also easily be
imported back into Inkscape for further editing without any major loss of
information.
Most common users are probably not tech savvy enough to deal with SVG
files, and will most likely print *as is*, no editing involved, so SVG
might be overkill. Images are either low quality or may become quite large
in terms of file size with high enough resolution. JPG is probably a bad
file format for this kind of "illustration" type of image (causes
compression artifacts), PNG is also widely supported and would probably
provide better secondary file format (with the downside of increased file
size).
- Anyway for display purposes inside TiddlyWiki SVG would still be the
best bet, so from my part I will gladly provide the final version in all
three file formats (PDF for printing, SVG for display inside tiddlywiki,
and PNG (or JPG if you prefer) for display/printing elsewhere.

Anyway let me know what you think, and what needs to be done. If you wish
to continue in a more private fashion you can reach me at my GMail
duarte.framos

Thanks again
Post by Mat
Dear all!
I am proud to say the jury has reached a decision. And the WINNER is...
Oh, just first, I should mention that the decision process turned out
trickier than expected. In fact, I pulled in assistance from two friends
who work in marketing AND even my fiancee (M.D.) whom I bombarded with a
zillion questions such as "Which ones catch your eye the most?", "If this
appeared on your work place, what would the others think when reading
this?", "Which posters would work better on a board in a stressed and messy
environment - and which ones for a calmer place?", "What would non-tech
people think?", etc. There was particular talk about what creates a
"desire" to go to the webpage.
Well, there was quite a heated debate but in the end there was a next to
Oh, just first, we should have a rundown of all the contributions for
everyones enjoyment and for reference.
Here are the final versions of the variants people included. In reviewing
them we looked at earlier versions also (for instance WiMs many touch ups)
but there was an agreement the latest was the best anyway so this did not
affect things. So, here I only include the final versions of the
*In ARBITRARY, i.e no particular, order:*
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<https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aEs5-O5pKkU/VKhQ9IDEehI/AAAAAAAAPFI/fOufnU2r2fY/s1600/Stephen_doctorsorders.jpg>
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nVRrSt2llhg/VKhRDKnCJVI/AAAAAAAAPFQ/3Oic7IA76ik/s1600/Stephen_youcancreate.jpg>
<https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tXqCI6M8z2U/VKhQxPc0uxI/AAAAAAAAPFA/J__Vqf1FD9I/s1600/Duarte_Nodetree.jpg>
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_pQV8bLTcIo/VKhQqTcFujI/AAAAAAAAPE4/vAdL16wZGTE/s1600/Duarte_Fish.jpg>
<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rG-nQv68sCM/VKhQlbiEYiI/AAAAAAAAPEw/oMY21pCnxEg/s1600/Duarte_Diamond.jpg>
...and a bonus by Mr. Stickleback himself - AlexHough going ascii (thanx
Alex!!!)
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}<!!!!!;( º> <http://tiddlywiki.com>
We also got encouraging input from several people that has affected some
of the contributions.
So... are you ready?
My warmest contratulations goes to the fisherman - non other than Duarte!
While I explicitly did state that beautiful graphics were not important - *per
se* - it is undeniable that his fish catches the eye. A good catch to say
the least. And you go "hm, what's this". As particularly my fiancee pointed
out, it also creates a first impression of TW namely that it is something
polished and slick. Now, both my marketing friends and I have some opinions
that there probably should be some more "call to action" but on the whole
we were all *very* impressed.
I also want to bring up WiMs contribution. Bri-li-ant! In fact, it is so
good that I have made a version myself which I will put up shortly. (Oooh,
I wish there was a contest ;-)
Of course also my warmest thank you to Stephen! I really liked both the
doctors order (funny!) and the globe (impressive!) I doubt people would
understand it was about some kind of personal wiki, but cool nonetheless!
And I don't think I must mention which one my M.D fiancee liked the most ;-)
GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE CONTE... no, wait.. FOR OUR COMMUNITY, GUYS!
So what happens now? Well, the prize money has already been transferred as
a contribution to Erics Inside TiddlyWiki project (even if via paypal) and
he will, if not already, be informed about Duartes win. BTW, I urge
everyone to take this remaining last day to jump on his SUPER PERK UPGRADE
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>.
I just did myself the other day. Imagine your friends or colleagues seeing
your poster, starting to use TW... only to find out you are also part of
the book!!! And this/these books, Inside TiddlyWiki, will be around for a
looong time, for sure!
Let me also tell you that Jeremy has promised that ALL posters *can*
become available via tw.com meaning that anyone wanting to do a quick
printout can choose whichever is most suitable at that time! However, there
"Basically, in order to print at decent quality at A3 size we'd need the
JPEG to be around 3,500 by 5,000 pixels. SVG is just the most web-friendly
resolution independent format (decent quality still requires that any
embedded bitmaps be of a sufficiently high resolution)."
Now, the poster competition was about A4 (figuring this is what will
result in the maximum numbers of posters actually put up). But,
particularly for the winning poster, would anyone be willing to help make
it perfect according to Jeremys description? (Yes, we're all looking at you
@Duarte ;-)
Ok, thank you guys. It was a great contest and we did it for us!
<:-)
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2015-01-04 21:22:37 UTC
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@Duarte - and further down @Jeremy
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
I am of course available to make any final adjustments to my poster
required to match you standards and requirements. There is always a
somewhat implicit need for some post-contest fine-tuning, even from my
part, as I would myself like to make a few small additions and touch ups
for the final version. So let me know what Jeremy, Mat, Eric or anyone else
requires.
Truly a worthy winner!!!

Ok, the main thing pointed out was a clearer "call to action", i.e in our
case something that makes the viewer actually go to the computer and type
in the url. (Hm... will it work well on the phone?)

Here are some examples
<https://www.google.se/search?hl=en&q=examples+of+call+to+action+on+websites&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=LqOpVOPcAqvMygOGvYLQCw#hl=en-SE&q=examples+of+call+to+action+in+ads>
of "calls to action in ads" but I think it's enough with something simple
that stands out (red? "handwritten"? encricled?) and just plants a sentence
in their like "You MUST type in tiddlywiki.com/poster in your browser NOW".
(Yes it's corny but it's not meant to be pretty/clever/subtle/... it's ment
to make them click.).
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
- Is the poster size really 210mm × *279*mm ? I know we are accounting
for American standard paper sizes, but an ISO A4 paper is 210 x *297*mm.
Just want to make sure it is not a typo.
Yes, 210x279 is to make it fit both on European A4 and on US letter size. I
reason it's better with a few mm of white margin than someone not being
able to print it or have it cut. With your fish maybe it doesn't matter if
the lenght is cut a bit - any @Americans here who can tell). Ideally a
slightly too small image should be centered on their printout but with so
few mm I think it wouldn't matter much if it wasn't. If you have a better
idea - rock'n roll.

@Jeremy

As for your format questions, I will let Mr.R reply. Personally I think pdf
sounds like a terrific idea! And I'm VERY happy to hear you're willing to
provide multiple versions. One little thing I think would be particularly
valuable would be a monochrome version(s).

Jeremy, is there anything you need help with when it comes to putting up
the posters? I think the best, from an accessibility point, would be a
gallery showing all posters available and perhaps stating "creator", "file
format" and a print button. If you give some specs, maybe someone could
help set up such a gallery?



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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-05 01:58:34 UTC
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My paper size was respecting your previous specifications and it seems
quite fine by me, no change there.

OK, so I remastered the poster to fix a few small issues with the previous
version and to make some additions I meant to add, like the small call line
to emphasize the topics and reworking the text a bit. Did some further
thinking, organized my ideas and refined the wording to better match what I
initially meant to say, and also added your "call to action" right on top.
This is not at all a closed final version, its open to debate so please let
me know what you think, and what should be reverted back to original, some
topical points:

- Again I understand you want a more down-to-earth "common user"
approach to the phrasing but I still urge you (community dwellers,
knowledgeable people and developers) to please review my text, mainly to
see if I committed no technical inaccuracies, and no grammatical/syntax
errors. Please do correct me as English is not my native language.
- Is the catch phrase or call to action to your liking, or did you have
something else in mind? Suggestions are gladly accepted, I am not very good
with words ;)
- I tried changing the link to www.tiddlywiki.com. Isn't the poster
supposed to promote tiddlywiki itself to new users? I think it makes a lot
more sense to point directly to the real thing, instead of pointing to a
poster again, which might confuse new users who seem to be the main target
audience. Other users will probably find their way to the poster easily.
- Removed the fish shadow mostly for practical reasons: makes more room
for additional text, and unclutters the poster of redundant visual
elements. It can easily be added back in if you think its essential.
- I kept "personal signature" watermark throughout the previews, I
assume it should be removed for the final version, right?

<Loading Image...>


Here is a PNG version with 5580 x 4200 pixels, I think it is more than
enough to print even bigger then an ISO A3 (I can make it larger if
desired), and at about 1.4mb filesize seems like an acceptable download for
today's standards. Equivalent PDF clocks at about 206Kb (apparently the
blurry shadows have to be rasterized, since PDF doesn't support all SVG
filters but I don't think quality will be an issue). Equivalent SVG file
will probably be under 146Kb after optimization.

Awaiting further instructions
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-05 15:37:55 UTC
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Hi Duarte,

Not sure how exactly, but I would turn the two headlines before
*tiddlywiki.com* into one and make the font smaller.

*Scattered brains? Get your free remedy **at:*

<=>

less is more, especially when it comes to text ;-)

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-05 18:23:11 UTC
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<Loading Image...>
I'm totally for a more minimal approach, I like your suggestion, also made
Post by Tobias Beer
Hi Duarte,
Not sure how exactly, but I would turn the two headlines before *tiddlywiki.com
<http://tiddlywiki.com>* into one and make the font smaller.
*Scattered brains? Get your free remedy **at:*
<=>
less is more, especially when it comes to text ;-)
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Felix Küppers
2015-01-05 18:38:25 UTC
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Hi Duarte,

great idea with the list circles below the fish.

-Felix
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Jeremy Ruston
2015-01-05 18:50:04 UTC
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Congratulations to Duarte, I think your poster is a worthy winner, and I
like it very much.

In terms of publishing the poster, PDF (with a suitably high resolution for
the embedded bitmaps) would probably be the best choice for most people
wishing to print the poster. I'd like to be able to offer it in SVG as
well, for viewing on the web, and perhaps a few sizes of PNG for
convenience.

In terms of the best way to publish the winning image online, I'm wondering
whether we might not include the images in a tiddler at
tiddlywiki.com/#Poster (having set them up as external images).

Best wishes

Jeremy.
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Hi Duarte,
great idea with the list circles below the fish.
-Felix
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Hi Duarte, Mat,

I meant to add that perhaps some of the wording and punctuation might
benefit from a few tweaks. What do others think?

Best wishes

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Congratulations to Duarte, I think your poster is a worthy winner, and I
like it very much.
In terms of publishing the poster, PDF (with a suitably high resolution
for the embedded bitmaps) would probably be the best choice for most people
wishing to print the poster. I'd like to be able to offer it in SVG as
well, for viewing on the web, and perhaps a few sizes of PNG for
convenience.
In terms of the best way to publish the winning image online, I'm
wondering whether we might not include the images in a tiddler at
tiddlywiki.com/#Poster (having set them up as external images).
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Hi Duarte,
great idea with the list circles below the fish.
-Felix
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2015-01-05 21:53:52 UTC
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@Duarte

Here is my suggestion, and below the reasoning:

<Loading Image...>

- (@ also Tobias) while I like the "scatterbrains... remedy", I'm afraid
this is too abstract here and requires too much figuring out. We must not
forget that *even the fish* itself appears TOTALLY irrelevant to someone
not in the know. (Here
<http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/great-call-to-action-examples> are
some examples of brilliance for exactly this. Ironically the very first
example is from our main competitor, if there ever was one: Evernote!)
- The (stakkato) sentence captures the problem, the (resulting) solution
and ends with an immediate call to action.
- The "free*" is a strong selling point for almost anyone who bothers
with open source, at least in my experience.
- The asterisk and the "explanation" at bottom is "supposedly discrete"
while it is obviously not - actually it is obviously intended to be seen,
and the "yes, free" adds a bit of humour. The "check it out" is another
call to action and in some sense the end of the poster.
- I actually wouldn't mind a bit more jumbled lines, I mean spreading
out in a somewhat wider angle. My mind is a lot more scattered than that ;-)
- @Jeremy - "www.tiddlywiki.com" vs ".../poster", Jeremy suggested the
".../poster", I assume as a way to measure the effect of it all. Frankly,
if I saw this url, I would still just go to tw.com particularly since I
have to type it in manually. Jeremy - what do you say, can we skip
"/poster"?
- For phrasing the factual content, I say go with Jeremys suggestions.
- Please do remove the watermark but if not visible then do add e.g
"tiddlywiki.com"
- Like Felix, I love the circles. I have no idea why, but I love them.
Maybe it binds the sentences visually, subtly messaging they're connected
into a story... somehow breaking the feeling of a list... I don't know.


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Birthe C
2015-01-05 22:26:07 UTC
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Hi Mat

The word free* is important, the red color do call for attention, but not
only in a good way. If it could be changed a little to better match the
colours in the fish. Duarte is the artist let it be up to him.


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2015-01-05 22:36:53 UTC
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changed a little to better match the colours in the fish. Duarte is the
artist let it be up to him.
Good idea. I would stand out more than enough also with a niceer matching
colour. I'm sure señor Picasso will handle it ;-)

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-05 23:39:52 UTC
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Hahahah "señor picasso", good one!

@Jeremy
Thank you, I am very glad that you like it. Your publishing method seems
adequate, I intend to provide you three final files once the design gets
the approving green light from you:

- An optimized SVG file (will reduce file size and improve
compatibility) for display purposes embedded inside tiddlywiki, and any
further community editing
- A raster PNG version in as many sizes as you see fit (let me know what
you require)
- A ready to print PDF (All data will remain vector based, except for
the fish drop shadow which is an SVG filter and cannot be natively exported
to PDF)
I can specify any resolution you desire, but "blurry shadows" don't
require very high definition, at 300DPI is more than enough, I notice no
visible pixelation.

@Jeremy, Mat, and Birthe C

I went with Jeremy's proposal for the text topics, thanks for the
suggestions these look genuinely better.
As for the call to action I made two variants, one following Mat's
suggestion (yes *free *is indeed an import message) and another inspired by
it.
Mine uses the "Tag pill" to connect the asterisk much like wikiwords and
tags connect a hole wiki together, and a call to action that is a bit more
"poetic" so to say, but still alludes to the collecting and note taking
nature of tiddlywiki, plus a vague sea->fish reference.

Final version may very well end up being a mashup of all the available
options so let me know what you like and what you don't.

<Loading Image...>


<Loading Image...>


<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png>
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Mat
2015-01-05 23:59:52 UTC
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I strongly prefer the first one - and it is *fantastic*.

One tiny idea I just thought of would be to see if the word tiddlywiki
would be clearer if we made "www" and "com" a little fainter. All URL's
give a complex impression and maybe this would make it easier on the eye.
Just an idea.

...Duarte, again, it really is *fantastic*!!!

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Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Hahahah "señor picasso", good one!
@Jeremy
Thank you, I am very glad that you like it. Your publishing method seems
adequate, I intend to provide you three final files once the design gets
- An optimized SVG file (will reduce file size and improve
compatibility) for display purposes embedded inside tiddlywiki, and any
further community editing
- A raster PNG version in as many sizes as you see fit (let me know
what you require)
- A ready to print PDF (All data will remain vector based, except for
the fish drop shadow which is an SVG filter and cannot be natively exported
to PDF)
I can specify any resolution you desire, but "blurry shadows" don't
require very high definition, at 300DPI is more than enough, I notice no
visible pixelation.
@Jeremy, Mat, and Birthe C
I went with Jeremy's proposal for the text topics, thanks for the
suggestions these look genuinely better.
As for the call to action I made two variants, one following Mat's
suggestion (yes *free *is indeed an import message) and another inspired
by it.
Mine uses the "Tag pill" to connect the asterisk much like wikiwords and
tags connect a hole wiki together, and a call to action that is a bit more
"poetic" so to say, but still alludes to the collecting and note taking
nature of tiddlywiki, plus a vague sea->fish reference.
Final version may very well end up being a mashup of all the available
options so let me know what you like and what you don't.
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png>
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster03.png>
<http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png>
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-06 00:03:34 UTC
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Hi Duarte,

I like...

*All your messy thoughts. Organized. Now. Free.*

...and also that free would be highlighted.

However, I don't think the poster begs for any...

**yes, free. check it out*

<=> less is more

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-06 00:15:16 UTC
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That's an excellent idea Mat, really like it and I think it works very
well, check it out here:


<Loading Image...>


I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I
don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after
all a community poster
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2015-01-06 13:05:31 UTC
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Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
That's an excellent idea Mat, really like it and I think it works very
Yes, it did really work well. Now let's just hope Jeremy feels it's ok with
us having removed ".../poster"


I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after
all a community poster
Ok, I'm not objecting per se - but let us look at what this means and what
we should do instead, because IMO there has to be some other changes if we
removed this:

A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. It is not
enough with a (very) pretty poster. It must be a poster that makes them
take the next step. For this to work, *something has to echo in their head*
as they leave the poster. My marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100%
agreement with them.

So, let's look at if we cut out "yes free, check it out". The remaining
call to action would be "Your messy thoughts. Organized. Now. Free." Here
the Free actually distracts from the call. (It actually also breaks the
rythm of the sentence, but that's another matter.) The essence of the call
to action in the top line is the word "Now" which, however, has a dual
meaning here, both implying "Do it now" but also "Your messy thoughts will
be organized". It's ok, but not great as a call to action. However, the
"check it out" is much more powerful because it is in imperative and it
really *ends* the poster with a *definite* call to action. It is 100% clear
what the unassuming viewer should *do* now. It takes it from being just
another (very) pretty poster into a poster that plants an echo in their
head to actually check tw out.

If we were to remove the "yes, free: check it out" then how about removing
"Free" from the header and instead make the content text "free and open
source" catch the eye? Maybe bigger font size + blue so it deviates from
the rest of the text and is guaranteed to get noticed. Or just doing this
to the "free" there. *But it must stick out a lot - it is a key selling
point.*

That way, the topmost call to action is standalone (very much like the
calls to action in the examples with Evernote et. al). Almost a slogan
actually. "Your messy thoughts. Organized. Now."

Thoughts?



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2015-01-06 13:16:28 UTC
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Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
That's an excellent idea Mat, really like it and I think it works very
Yes, it did really work well. Now let's just hope Jeremy feels it's ok with
us having removed ".../poster"


I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after
all a community poster
Ok, let us look at what this means. I'm all positive for some other way as
long as it takes the following in consideration:

A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to
work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My
marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.

So, let's look at if we cut out "yes free, check it out". The essence of
the call to action remaining is then in the top line word "Now". This,
however, has a dual meaning here, both implying "Do it now" but also "Your
messy thoughts will be organized now". It's ok, but not great as a way to
have the unassuming poster viewer actally go *do* something. However, the
"check it out" is much more powerful because it is in imperative and it
really *ends* the poster with a *definite* call to action. It is 100% clear
what the viewer should *do* now. It takes it from being just another (very)
pretty poster into a poster that plants an echo in their head to actually
check tw out.

I'm all for alternatives... but they have to get more people to check TW
out ;-)

Thoughts?

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Jeremy Ruston
2015-01-06 13:41:00 UTC
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Post by Mat
Yes, it did really work well. Now let's just hope Jeremy feels it's ok
with us having removed ".../poster"
Absolutely, yes, I think it's much clearer for the call-to-action URL to
simply be "tiddlywiki.com".

Best wishes

Jeremy.
Post by Mat
I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I
Post by Duarte Farrajota Ramos
don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after
all a community poster
Ok, let us look at what this means. I'm all positive for some other way as
A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to
work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My
marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.
So, let's look at if we cut out "yes free, check it out". The essence of
the call to action remaining is then in the top line word "Now". This,
however, has a dual meaning here, both implying "Do it now" but also "Your
messy thoughts will be organized now". It's ok, but not great as a way to
have the unassuming poster viewer actally go *do* something. However, the
"check it out" is much more powerful because it is in imperative and it
really *ends* the poster with a *definite* call to action. It is 100%
clear what the viewer should *do* now. It takes it from being just
another (very) pretty poster into a poster that plants an echo in their
head to actually check tw out.
I'm all for alternatives... but they have to get more people to check TW
out ;-)
Thoughts?
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Tobias Beer
2015-01-06 14:21:29 UTC
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Hi Mat,
Post by Mat
A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to
work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My
marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.
I fully agree with needing a clear call to action... and the more
memorable, the better.
However, I also think that finding more of that than needed
has exactly the adverse effect and smells a bit of excessive marketing.

As for catchiness, I think "scattered brains" sounds a lot more memorable
than "messy thoughts".
Also, it slightly hints at how TiddlyWiki might just be very apt to cope
with the genius that is you,
empowering you in ways unimagined before. If you wish, a form of subliminal
flattery.

Perhaps, this slight change to the headline might help things sound more
actionable...

Scattered Brains? Organize. Now. Free!

So, you get...

1. an realisation of your problem with a pinch of subliminal flattery — *Scattered
Brains?*
2. a call to action, hinting at the solution — *Organize.*
3. and another call to action — *Now.*
4. and a big incentive, rounding it all up — *Free!*
5. immediately followed by the *X* that marks the spot with the treasure
— *www.tiddlywiki.com*

I think that should be enough to make the mental link of what to expect at
the url ;-)
...without needing some more flashy "click here", "check it out" text or
banner thingy;
especially not in some corner that is all isolated from the rest of the
poster.

The beauty of something creates desire.
The more beauty is covered by sticky stuff or make-up,
the more that desire rather quickly vanishes... at least for me.

<=> less is more

Best wishes, Tobias.
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Jeremy Ruston
2015-01-06 14:30:44 UTC
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For what it's worth I really like the phrase "scattered brains". It
pleasantly evokes the English word "scatterbrain".

Best wishes

Jeremy
Post by Tobias Beer
Hi Mat,
Post by Mat
A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to
work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My
marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.
I fully agree with needing a clear call to action... and the more
memorable, the better.
However, I also think that finding more of that than needed
has exactly the adverse effect and smells a bit of excessive marketing.
As for catchiness, I think "scattered brains" sounds a lot more memorable
than "messy thoughts".
Also, it slightly hints at how TiddlyWiki might just be very apt to cope
with the genius that is you,
empowering you in ways unimagined before. If you wish, a form of
subliminal flattery.
Perhaps, this slight change to the headline might help things sound more
actionable...
Scattered Brains? Organize. Now. Free!
So, you get...
1. an realisation of your problem with a pinch of subliminal flattery
— *Scattered Brains?*
2. a call to action, hinting at the solution — *Organize.*
3. and another call to action — *Now.*
4. and a big incentive, rounding it all up — *Free!*
5. immediately followed by the *X* that marks the spot with the
treasure — *www.tiddlywiki.com*
I think that should be enough to make the mental link of what to expect at
the url ;-)
...without needing some more flashy "click here", "check it out" text or
banner thingy;
especially not in some corner that is all isolated from the rest of the
poster.
The beauty of something creates desire.
The more beauty is covered by sticky stuff or make-up,
the more that desire rather quickly vanishes... at least for me.
<=> less is more
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-06 14:47:05 UTC
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I have no real preference between the two phrases, I like them both
equally, but if master Jeremy likes that one better I'd say go with it,
unless we can get more votes to break the tie
Post by Jeremy Ruston
For what it's worth I really like the phrase "scattered brains". It
pleasantly evokes the English word "scatterbrain".
Best wishes
Jeremy
Post by Tobias Beer
Hi Mat,
Post by Mat
A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this
to work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the
poster. My marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with
them.
I fully agree with needing a clear call to action... and the more
memorable, the better.
However, I also think that finding more of that than needed
has exactly the adverse effect and smells a bit of excessive marketing.
As for catchiness, I think "scattered brains" sounds a lot more memorable
than "messy thoughts".
Also, it slightly hints at how TiddlyWiki might just be very apt to cope
with the genius that is you,
empowering you in ways unimagined before. If you wish, a form of
subliminal flattery.
Perhaps, this slight change to the headline might help things sound more
actionable...
Scattered Brains? Organize. Now. Free!
So, you get...
1. an realisation of your problem with a pinch of subliminal flattery
— *Scattered Brains?*
2. a call to action, hinting at the solution — *Organize.*
3. and another call to action — *Now.*
4. and a big incentive, rounding it all up — *Free!*
5. immediately followed by the *X* that marks the spot with the
treasure — *www.tiddlywiki.com*
I think that should be enough to make the mental link of what to expect
at the url ;-)
...without needing some more flashy "click here", "check it out" text or
banner thingy;
especially not in some corner that is all isolated from the rest of the
poster.
The beauty of something creates desire.
The more beauty is covered by sticky stuff or make-up,
the more that desire rather quickly vanishes... at least for me.
<=> less is more
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Mat
2015-01-07 23:39:10 UTC
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@Duarte (...well, and everyone ;-)

Ok, a few quite interesting things have come up!

I wanted to take this to a teacher of mine to get his input - which I did
today! He has decades of experience in marketing, copywriting, campaigns
and advertising in all kinds of media and he teaches at the leading
marketing school in Sweden (Berghs <http://www.berghs.se/en>) on these and
related subjects. I'm taking his course on "Communication Design" (at my
university, not the marketing school) which is about (verbally) presenting
so to effectively get messages across. He is 60+ and has a non tech
background. I had previously mentioned TW but only in general terms (it's a
wiki etc) and he doesn't really know about it or tried it, which I think
was good for testing the poster on him. I told him about the competition
and the purpose - and then showed him Duartes poster.

Well, first of all - again congratulations to Duarte. He was *very*
impressed with the artwork and he thought it was brilliant in concept.

He also said it was unlike almost all other advertisement he had seen for
technical products, and that this was a very good aspect.

He also had quite a few valuable and even critical pointers:

Perhaps to the relief of some, he did not like my "Free*" and "*yes free,
check it out" bits. (Hrmpf!) He pointed out that a web address in itself is
a call to action and he means the interest creation in itself pushes this.

Regarding the headline he said we should make *this* the prominent part,
not the URL. He strongly suggests putting the headline above the fish and
the URL *under* it, because the headline is what tells the story. And the
headline and the URL should switch each others font size. BTW, Jeremy
suggested (unless the technical disturbance in the communication made me
misunderstand him) he suggests we skip the "www" and also the faint grey.
He points out "www" is redundant and that the grey makes it look like we
want to say something with the colors. Ok, possibly. Well, if we cut out
the www, then the grey looses much of it's point anyway. I say we try it
and see what it looks like, i.e simply "tiddlywiki.com" in one color.

Wording for the headline: He (my teacher) said:

Messy thoughts. Organized.

Ok.... hard to argue with that. That really does say it all. He also
pointed out that "scattered brains" and similar is not good if it is to be
used outside of Enligsh speaking countries. I think he's right. I kind of
liked the "Now." but I agree it is even more direct without it. (Again I'm
reminded of the Evernote line: "Remember everything." That also really says
it all.)

Now for the absolute major crtitizism, and a *classic* beginners mistake:
We have too much text. (I guess Herr "More is less" get's happy now ;-)
And, somewhat to my embarassment, I only there noticed the font is actually
also *much* too small! I had until then zoomed in every time I looked, but
the poster is - well - it is as big as it is, A4. We MUST reduce the text
and only take out the critical parts.

It is the typical beginners mistake to list all the technical benefits but
this is not the right stage for this. As he pointed out, just about every
other IT system is supposedly "versatile" and "knowledge base" etc and
trying to list every benefit we can think of is like a desperate car
salesman and instead signals insecurity as if you're nervous the customer
won't like it. He says we should basically have more or less only the "free
and open source" and "own you data". Now he's not an IT guy so he may not
know exactly what our target market considers important but I can't argue
with his general premise here. Listing a lot there will not convince anyone
any more than listing a few things there. And if the "too much" makes the
text difficult to read, well then we loose it all. Regardless, I would at
least want to have something like "personal wiki" included. So I suggest:

a personal wiki ○ single html file in your browser
free and open source ○ no costs, you own your data
any platform, any time ○ desktop, mobile, tablet, offline or in the cloud

(He would probably say this is too much also. Can we make it even fewer
words?)

Regarding the image (which he *really* liked!) he suggested that what comes
out probably should only be one line, not many. I think that we here think
of many tiddlers coming out but I think his point was to have "maximum
order", i.e one thing. Ok, makes sense. (I fear it might look heavy if it's
one thick black line though. Maybe paler? But should be same color as what
comes in IMO.)

He also pointed out that the supposed "messy" lines aren't very messy
because they are symmetrical! I agree with the "not very messy" but hadn't
considered that it was they symmetry causing it. I think he is right. He
suggested having *one* of the downpointing lines diverge much more so the
viewer gets annoyed at something. Ok, worth a try IMO.

@Duarte... you up for it? :-)


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2015-01-08 00:14:08 UTC
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Correction: When I wrote the above I recalled the headline as currently
being "Your messy thoughts [etc]" and just remembered how he covered the
first word. However, I now see the first word is currently "All"!. In other
words, for headline he suggested "*Your* messy thoughts. Organized." which
I think is better because it involves the viewer not to mention TW is for
*your* messy thoghts and not the whole organization for example.

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-08 01:19:12 UTC
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Sure am, I was actually gonna post here when I read you message.

It's good to have the input of an actual professional, although I have some
basic notions I have no formal education in advertizing or marketing, I am
simply an architect who happens to really like graphic design as a hobby.
So here's what I came up with, I think it lost a little in terms of overall
balance of the composition, but the more minimal approach improves the
readability and message. Made the text larger and I tried my best to fit
the URL bellow the fish but just could find a position it would sit nicely
so I left it above. If you oppose it strongly I will gladly move it back
down, let me know what you think:


<Loading Image...>
Post by Mat
Correction: When I wrote the above I recalled the headline as currently
being "Your messy thoughts [etc]" and just remembered how he covered the
first word. However, I now see the first word is currently "All"!. In other
words, for headline he suggested "*Your* messy thoughts. Organized."
which I think is better because it involves the viewer not to mention TW is
for *your* messy thoghts and not the whole organization for example.
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Mat
2015-01-08 02:22:55 UTC
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Fast and impressive working! Do you make architectural drawings with such
ease too? :-)

I agree with the overall balance issue there.

How about this (but, yes, it needs formatting too ;-)


Your messy thoughts. Organized.
= <:)))))>{ ---
tiddlywiki.com

a personal wiki in html ⌜ open source and free


It this is not the absolute core of it then I don't know what is. Maaaaybe
even cut "in html" because "open source" tops it anyway. This is extremely
clear and IMO captures the absolute essentials of TW to make someone want
more.

And funnily, having just made the above I'm thinking that an ascii version
might just actually make some sense after all! If your poster becomes a bit
of a trademark for TW (but I do hope people make more posters eventually)
then a simple ascii, like AlexHough's hilarious stuff, might just make
sense in some contexts, like signatures on discussion boards etc. Just a
thought, but I'm tired and it makes my thoughts even messier than usual...
I must go to tiddlywiki.com to get organi... no I should really slee...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-08 03:09:16 UTC
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Haha thanks, yeah you know how deadlines are, I work mostly for archviz
with 3D models and such and they always want them for yesterday so I went
through some pretty intensive sprints :)
That ascii version really looks neat and compact, I could see it become
some sort of official logo, light and simple enough to include in TW.

So here it is, looks much more harmonious now, thanks for the suggestion. I
didn't strip as much information though, I think there's still room for it
without over advertizing; too little info and it will become a riddle to
new users and we risk capturing no one's attention.

If you think it's still too much we can go with your even more minimal
approach


<Loading Image...>
Post by Mat
Fast and impressive working! Do you make architectural drawings with such
ease too? :-)
I agree with the overall balance issue there.
How about this (but, yes, it needs formatting too ;-)
Your messy thoughts. Organized.
= <:)))))>{ ---
tiddlywiki.com
a personal wiki in html ⌜ open source and free
It this is not the absolute core of it then I don't know what is. Maaaaybe
even cut "in html" because "open source" tops it anyway. This is extremely
clear and IMO captures the absolute essentials of TW to make someone want
more.
And funnily, having just made the above I'm thinking that an ascii version
might just actually make some sense after all! If your poster becomes a bit
of a trademark for TW (but I do hope people make more posters eventually)
then a simple ascii, like AlexHough's hilarious stuff, might just make
sense in some contexts, like signatures on discussion boards etc. Just a
thought, but I'm tired and it makes my thoughts even messier than usual...
I must go to tiddlywiki.com to get organi... no I should really slee...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Mat
2015-01-08 14:17:33 UTC
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Beginning to think maybe correspondence woudl be smoother via email, but
after each draft I find myself going "ok, just a few tiny things and then
we should be done!" - which has been going on now for quite a few drafts ;-)

Anyway, here are just a few tiny things and then we should be done:

I took the liberty of doing some editing myself, among other things to make
it even more balanced. This included move the fish vertically a bit and
making tw.com a bit more subtle (nobody can miss it though). I think it
looks good, what do you say? I suggest putting my version as a transparent
layer on top of yours to see all the detail changes.

<Loading Image...>

I'm really happy we got some input from my teacher. It really improves it.
The bit about putting the headline alone on top is great and, funnily, by
putting the url under the fish it almost like when you have an image with a
descriptive text under it, i.e "here you see a tiddlywiki fish" sort of.

Now... what I would *really* prefer is actually this one crucial bit to
make sure they can't miss what might very well be the tipping point to make
them actually try it out. See pic below. The line is * intended* to look as
if a friend of theirs just wanted to make sure they didn't miss it and so
simply picked up a pen:

<Loading Image...>
The line is from this
<Loading Image...>
image (cut out and manipulated). I found it by searching on google images
for "hand drawn line" and selecting color blue. BTW, the above versions are
a mix of cut+move, type on top of stuff, etc so they are not real quality
with vectors etc.

I can only speak for myself, but I would be happy if it looks like this
last variant.


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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-08 15:19:03 UTC
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I think we are getting somewhere!
Not much of a fan of the "handwritten" visual here, I don't really like the
tick but I think can live with it :) Recreated it um full vector fashion to
keep the SVG as true to itself as possible, also made an alternate version
to see if anyone prefers a cleaner look.
Would love to hear Jeremy and everyone else opinion before we can call
anything final.


<Loading Image...>



<Loading Image...>
Post by Mat
Beginning to think maybe correspondence woudl be smoother via email, but
after each draft I find myself going "ok, just a few tiny things and then
we should be done!" - which has been going on now for quite a few drafts ;-)
I took the liberty of doing some editing myself, among other things to
make it even more balanced. This included move the fish vertically a bit
and making tw.com a bit more subtle (nobody can miss it though). I think
it looks good, what do you say? I suggest putting my version as a
transparent layer on top of yours to see all the detail changes.
<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--_BEuTiYnlQ/VK6NGrLpYmI/AAAAAAAAPHg/N3gasKR5xUU/s1600/DuartesPoster_MatVersion1.png>
I'm really happy we got some input from my teacher. It really improves it.
The bit about putting the headline alone on top is great and, funnily, by
putting the url under the fish it almost like when you have an image with a
descriptive text under it, i.e "here you see a tiddlywiki fish" sort of.
Now... what I would *really* prefer is actually this one crucial bit to
make sure they can't miss what might very well be the tipping point to make
them actually try it out. See pic below. The line is * intended* to look
as if a friend of theirs just wanted to make sure they didn't miss it and
<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qr9UBCh0ELM/VK6N9ijhJsI/AAAAAAAAPHo/M0-ssKCFhNM/s1600/DuartesPoster_MatVersion2.png>
The line is from this
<http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/954646/219601339/stock-vector-set-of-correction-and-highlight-elements-part-circles-arrows-lines-etc-hand-drawn-with-219601339.jpg>
image (cut out and manipulated). I found it by searching on google images
for "hand drawn line" and selecting color blue. BTW, the above versions are
a mix of cut+move, type on top of stuff, etc so they are not real quality
with vectors etc.
I can only speak for myself, but I would be happy if it looks like this
last variant.
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Eric Shulman
2015-01-08 15:21:29 UTC
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Don't use commercial product brand names!
The only "brand" that should be mentioned is TiddlyWiki.

"laptop, mobile, iPad"

should be

"laptop, mobile, tablet"

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-08 15:47:08 UTC
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I agree, I actually fixed that in my version, forgot to mention it before
Post by Eric Shulman
Don't use commercial product brand names!
The only "brand" that should be mentioned is TiddlyWiki.
"laptop, mobile, iPad"
should be
"laptop, mobile, tablet"
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-04 01:11:24 UTC
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BTW, I urge everyone to take this remaining last day to jump on his SUPER
PERK UPGRADE
<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual>.
I just did myself the other day.
<:-)
Also would like to let you know I just made an additional contribution to
the noble cause. Hope it helps :)
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HansWobbe
2015-01-04 19:11:27 UTC
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Congratulations!

I think these should be posted at Flickr. If you'd like, I'd be happy to
do so for you and set up some appropriate Tags and perhaps even a TW
Photographers & Images Group.

Regards,
Hans
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos
2015-01-04 22:33:50 UTC
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Thanks! :)
That sounds like a terrific ideia, but perhaps wait for the final approved
version before publishing?
Anyway I am not in charge here, Jeremy and Mat will advise on the best
course of action, but from my part you have my blessings.
Post by HansWobbe
Congratulations!
I think these should be posted at Flickr. If you'd like, I'd be happy to
do so for you and set up some appropriate Tags and perhaps even a TW
Photographers & Images Group.
Regards,
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