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[tw5] [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version
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Jed Carty
2018-04-29 22:07:44 UTC
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There are some new updates to the (not yet renamed) multiuser plugin.

There are a lot of updates to the inner workings since the last release of
the single executable.

It no longer shows the dirty indicator in most cases because it wasn't
accurate.
It also fixes some errors from when there are errors in given paths.
It adds a new command that starts the wiki without a server so it can be
used with an external server, like an express js server, to go with this
each web socket message is sent with an authentication token if one is
saved in localstorage.
there will be fewer terminal messages now
reconnecting to a server after losing the web socket connection is more
consistent
You can export each wiki as a single file html, but it is imperfect.
Documentation for the new message is in the plugin. But there is something
weird where the html file works everywhere aside from importing it into
another wiki.
The settings in the control panel are only available on the root wiki
because they should only be used there.
There is a checkbox in the control panel that adds the list of available
wikis to a tab in the sidebar.

The plugin repo is here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser
The single executable version is available here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.6


If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-04-29 22:53:50 UTC
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When I try using node, I get the following error output:

$ node ./tiddlywiki.js editions/MultiUserWiki --wsserver
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
Websockets listening on 8081
Serving on 0.0.0.0:8080
(press ctrl-C to exit)
syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/ServerIP

$:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WebsocketAdaptor.js:90
var tiddlersPath = prefix === ''? $tw.MultiUser.Wikis.RootWiki.
wikiTiddler
sPath:$tw.MultiUser.Wikis[prefix].wikiTiddlersPath
^
TypeError: Cannot read property 'RootWiki' of undefined
at WebsocketAdaptor.getTiddlerFileInfo ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/
Websock
etAdaptor.js:90:60)
at WebsocketAdaptor.saveTiddler ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/
WebsocketAdapt
or.js:189:12)
at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:488:21)
at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:431:9)
at Timeout._onTimeout ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:410:26)
at ontimeout (timers.js:365:14)
at tryOnTimeout (timers.js:237:5)
at Timer.listOnTimeout (timers.js:207:5)


Thanks,
-- Mark
Post by Jed Carty
There are some new updates to the (not yet renamed) multiuser plugin.
There are a lot of updates to the inner workings since the last release of
the single executable.
It no longer shows the dirty indicator in most cases because it wasn't
accurate.
It also fixes some errors from when there are errors in given paths.
It adds a new command that starts the wiki without a server so it can be
used with an external server, like an express js server, to go with this
each web socket message is sent with an authentication token if one is
saved in localstorage.
there will be fewer terminal messages now
reconnecting to a server after losing the web socket connection is more
consistent
You can export each wiki as a single file html, but it is imperfect.
Documentation for the new message is in the plugin. But there is something
weird where the html file works everywhere aside from importing it into
another wiki.
The settings in the control panel are only available on the root wiki
because they should only be used there.
There is a checkbox in the control panel that adds the list of available
wikis to a tab in the sidebar.
The plugin repo is here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser
The single executable version is available here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.6
If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
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Jed Carty
2018-04-30 06:41:06 UTC
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Mark,

I was wondering what big thing I would miss this time. I forgot to merge
the dev branch with master. It should be merged now, so you should be able
to pull the new changes to the plugin to fix the problem.
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Jed Carty
2018-04-30 08:44:44 UTC
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There may be some errors in the single executable version for OSX that
prevent it from properly changing the server settings from within the wiki.
If you have a wiki already set up than using the new one isn't a problem,
but if you try to make a new wiki it may not properly update the server
paths. So if you are using the single executable version on OSX you may be
better off continuing to use the older (rc3) version until I can track down
the new problem.

And if anyone is using the single executable version on windows let me know
how it is going, I haven't been able to do any real testing on windows with
the new updates.
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Mohammad
2018-04-30 09:09:18 UTC
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Jed,
I have downloaded the windows version. When I run the .exe file it opens
Chrom with 127.0.0.1 whith message "The site cannot be reached!".
I have not a working node.js installed!

Best
Post by Jed Carty
There may be some errors in the single executable version for OSX that
prevent it from properly changing the server settings from within the wiki.
If you have a wiki already set up than using the new one isn't a problem,
but if you try to make a new wiki it may not properly update the server
paths. So if you are using the single executable version on OSX you may be
better off continuing to use the older (rc3) version until I can track down
the new problem.
And if anyone is using the single executable version on windows let me
know how it is going, I haven't been able to do any real testing on windows
with the new updates.
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TonyM
2018-04-30 23:52:22 UTC
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Jed,

I will be testing the windows version today.

I did try and run the exe in a new folder with problems, but since this was
not my goal I replaced the exe in my existing install and it opened well

Now Its basic operation seems OK, For me it opens in firefox as my default
browser (unlike Mohammad with chrome).

Regards
Tony
Post by Jed Carty
There may be some errors in the single executable version for OSX that
prevent it from properly changing the server settings from within the wiki.
If you have a wiki already set up than using the new one isn't a problem,
but if you try to make a new wiki it may not properly update the server
paths. So if you are using the single executable version on OSX you may be
better off continuing to use the older (rc3) version until I can track down
the new problem.
And if anyone is using the single executable version on windows let me
know how it is going, I haven't been able to do any real testing on windows
with the new updates.
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Jed Carty
2018-04-30 10:45:30 UTC
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Mohammad,

It does not require node.js to be installed. Does it work if you use the
older version? It is available
here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.5
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Mohammad
2018-04-30 14:46:57 UTC
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Jed,

The old version is working. It creates a IndexWiki in the same directory as
.exe file and opens Chrome at http://127.0.0.1:8080/
Seems every thing in order!

So what's the problem with the new version?

/Mohammad
Post by Jed Carty
Mohammad,
It does not require node.js to be installed. Does it work if you use the
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.5
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 07:34:29 UTC
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Tony,

Thank you for helping! The parts that I think are most likely to cause
problems are making new wikis from within the wiki and changing the
settings in the node settings tab.

Make sure to back up your settings.json file, so far all the bugs have been
that nothing gets updated but backing up data is a good idea anyway.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-01 15:45:29 UTC
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Tried again (hand version), and this time it worked.

Where to I put images to have them served?

The very first tiddler I created didn't show up in "Recent". After that
they seem to be appearing normally.

I created a 2nd Wiki, and then naively attempted to set it's address to an
existing data tiddler.

But, I made a mistake, and needed to change the path. Using the node
plugin editor, it would not allow changes to the path. That is, it would
allow them, but when I restarted the server the old setting was back.

So, I found and edited the split wikis tiddler in a text editor, and
changed the path there. That seemed to persist after a server restart.

BUT, Bob was not connected to the data tiddler specified.

How do I tell Bob to use an existing TW data directory?

Thanks!
-- Mark
Post by Jed Carty
Tony,
Thank you for helping! The parts that I think are most likely to cause
problems are making new wikis from within the wiki and changing the
settings in the node settings tab.
Make sure to back up your settings.json file, so far all the bugs have
been that nothing gets updated but backing up data is a good idea anyway.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-01 15:57:02 UTC
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Additional: Reloading a browser page clears the "recent" tiddlers, making
them effectively invisible.
Post by 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Tried again (hand version), and this time it worked.
Where to I put images to have them served?
The very first tiddler I created didn't show up in "Recent". After that
they seem to be appearing normally.
I created a 2nd Wiki, and then naively attempted to set it's address to an
existing data tiddler.
But, I made a mistake, and needed to change the path. Using the node
plugin editor, it would not allow changes to the path. That is, it would
allow them, but when I restarted the server the old setting was back.
So, I found and edited the split wikis tiddler in a text editor, and
changed the path there. That seemed to persist after a server restart.
BUT, Bob was not connected to the data tiddler specified.
How do I tell Bob to use an existing TW data directory?
Thanks!
-- Mark
Post by Jed Carty
Tony,
Thank you for helping! The parts that I think are most likely to cause
problems are making new wikis from within the wiki and changing the
settings in the node settings tab.
Make sure to back up your settings.json file, so far all the bugs have
been that nothing gets updated but backing up data is a good idea anyway.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 16:43:54 UTC
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Mark,

Are you using windows? There are some problems saving the settings. When
you update the settings, and click the button to save them, it is supposed
to update the json file. It may not be on non-linux systems and I haven't
been able to figure out why. There is also a bug where tiddlers don't
always save the created and modified fields correctly that I don't
understand.

You can add an existing wiki by giving it a name and giving the correct
path in the settings.json file. You may need to restart the server after
doing that.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-01 17:11:48 UTC
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Hi Jed,

Yes, on Windows.

The tiddlers seem to be saved with correct dates, e.g.:

created: 20180501165851388
title: Hey I'm newer
tags:
modified: 20180501165857154

But they don't show up until Bob is restarted -- by hand. That is, pressing
the little button doesn't seem to do anything though it does present that
big, red message at the top. In the command line, there is this text:

syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection
new connection
For New Enough Tiddler, type is application/x-tiddler hasMetaFile is false
filep
ath is C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\New
Enough
Tiddler.tid
saved file C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\New
Eno
ugh Tiddler.tid
For Hey I'm newer, type is application/x-tiddler hasMetaFile is false
filepath i
s C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\Hey I'm
newer.ti
d
saved file C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\Hey
I'm
newer.tid
new connection
Restarting Server!
Closed WSS
NodeSettings - Malformed settings. Using empty default.
NodeSettings - Check settings. Maybe comma error?
Websockets listening on 8082
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8081
(press ctrl-C to exit)
syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList



I don't know if that's any help.

Ok, I did get the configuration to find the other data tiddler.

Where should images go to be served?

Thanks!
Mark
Post by Jed Carty
Mark,
Are you using windows? There are some problems saving the settings. When
you update the settings, and click the button to save them, it is supposed
to update the json file. It may not be on non-linux systems and I haven't
been able to figure out why. There is also a bug where tiddlers don't
always save the created and modified fields correctly that I don't
understand.
You can add an existing wiki by giving it a name and giving the correct
path in the settings.json file. You may need to restart the server after
doing that.
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Kevin Kleinfelter
2018-05-03 02:34:24 UTC
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I too have the
tiddlers-don't-show-up-in-Recent-after-page-refresh-until-after-restart
problem. And I turn off the preview pane, and it doesn't remember that
change after a page refresh.

I'm running on Ubuntu Linux 16.04, with node 10.0.0, using the plug-in (not
the one-file executable). I'm running the server on a Linux box and
accessing it from Safari and Chrome on a Mac.

Preview pane is just annoying, but not showing up in Recent is a
show-stopper for me.

These behaviors happen on the sub-wikis. The root wiki's Recent tab works
just fine, and it remembers my preview-pane selection.
Thanks,
kevin
Post by 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Jed,
Yes, on Windows.
created: 20180501165851388
title: Hey I'm newer
modified: 20180501165857154
But they don't show up until Bob is restarted -- by hand. That is,
pressing the little button doesn't seem to do anything though it does
present that big, red message at the top. In the command line, there is
syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection
new connection
For New Enough Tiddler, type is application/x-tiddler hasMetaFile is false
filep
ath is C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\New
Enough
Tiddler.tid
saved file C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\
New Eno
ugh Tiddler.tid
For Hey I'm newer, type is application/x-tiddler hasMetaFile is false
filepath i
s C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\Hey I'm
newer.ti
d
saved file C:\Users\Mark\github\temp\TWM\editions\MultiUserWiki\tiddlers\
Hey I'm
newer.tid
new connection
Restarting Server!
Closed WSS
NodeSettings - Malformed settings. Using empty default.
NodeSettings - Check settings. Maybe comma error?
Websockets listening on 8082
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8081
(press ctrl-C to exit)
syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
I don't know if that's any help.
Ok, I did get the configuration to find the other data tiddler.
Where should images go to be served?
Thanks!
Mark
Post by Jed Carty
Mark,
Are you using windows? There are some problems saving the settings. When
you update the settings, and click the button to save them, it is supposed
to update the json file. It may not be on non-linux systems and I haven't
been able to figure out why. There is also a bug where tiddlers don't
always save the created and modified fields correctly that I don't
understand.
You can add an existing wiki by giving it a name and giving the correct
path in the settings.json file. You may need to restart the server after
doing that.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 17:32:41 UTC
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Oh, sorry I didn't realise I missed your question in the previous post. Or
that I haven't written documentation for this part yet. I will try to get
to that tonight. I am not somewhere I can check to make sure that all of
this is correct, so let me know if it doesn't work. You will have to
restart the server after adding the filePathRoot to settings.json.


To server files you add a property to settings.json called 'filePathRoot'
and give it the value that you want for the root folder for the files you
want accessible to the wiki.


Something like:

"filePathRoot": "C:\Users\Mark\WikiFiles"

and then any files in that folder are served under the wikiurl/file/filename

where wikiurl is whatever the url of your root wiki is and filename is the
name of the file you want.

By default to get a file called foo.jpg that you put in
c:\Users\Mark\WikiFiles on the computer running the server it would be

localhost:8080/file/foo.jpg

and you could use that url the same as you would for any other external
image.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-01 18:33:22 UTC
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So far no luck with filePathRoot, but I'm not sure what section you want it
under -- assume it's the wsserver section but I've tried that and a couple
others.

Also, with the secondary wikis, I found I had to use double back slashes
(\\). But don't know if that is true for this variable.

Per your description, the intermediate directory /file/ always appears? Or
is that a typo?

Will relative paths be available so that you can write
[img[./file/my_image.png]] ?

Is there just one image directory for one instance of Bob? The various
secondary Wikis might be associated with different image files.

Thanks!
Mark
Post by Jed Carty
Oh, sorry I didn't realise I missed your question in the previous post. Or
that I haven't written documentation for this part yet. I will try to get
to that tonight. I am not somewhere I can check to make sure that all of
this is correct, so let me know if it doesn't work. You will have to
restart the server after adding the filePathRoot to settings.json.
To server files you add a property to settings.json called 'filePathRoot'
and give it the value that you want for the root folder for the files you
want accessible to the wiki.
"filePathRoot": "C:\Users\Mark\WikiFiles"
and then any files in that folder are served under the
wikiurl/file/filename
where wikiurl is whatever the url of your root wiki is and filename is the
name of the file you want.
By default to get a file called foo.jpg that you put in
c:\Users\Mark\WikiFiles on the computer running the server it would be
localhost:8080/file/foo.jpg
and you could use that url the same as you would for any other external
image.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 17:41:42 UTC
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I think I am going to remove the restart server option completely. Since
everything is synced with the file system the biggest reason to be able to
restart the server no longer needs a restart and the other times when it is
necessary don't work using the method I have set up.

Mark,

Do the lines

NodeSettings - Malformed settings. Using empty default.
NodeSettings - Check settings. Maybe comma error?

show up when you start the server or just when you try to restart from
inside it?
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 19:26:27 UTC
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The fileRootPath is part of the root section like this:


{
wikis: {}
ws-server: {}
fileRootPath: '/some/path/here'
}

I haven't used windows in many years, I have no idea what the requirements
for listing paths in window are these days. These settings are for the
server and are not on a per-wiki basis so all of the files you serve should
be under the one folder. If windows has symlinks than you can probably use
those here.

The url has /file/ in it because that is the url path that serves the
files. It isn't a folder.

I haven't used this much but I just got home so I will poke it a bit and
make sure I didn't break anything.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 19:50:28 UTC
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Sorry, that should say filePathRoot, not fileRootPath.

It is working on my wiki using relative paths.

I have [img[./file/01.jpg]] in a tiddler and it works in linux at least.

And any subfolders under the folder listed as the filePathRoot are
available.

So I have

"filePathRoot":"/home/inmysocks/Pictures"

and then in the Pictures folder on my computer there is a folder called
plants, in the wiki I can have

[img[./file/plants/Aloe.jpg]] and it shows the Aloe.jpg file in the plants
folder.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-01 22:14:58 UTC
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Would it be possible to make it without "/file/" ? Or at least to specify
the web path ?

Having it in a hard-coded "file" means that existing images with relative
paths will break. It means that the data is not as portable between systems.

Thanks!
Mark
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Sorry, that should say filePathRoot, not fileRootPath.
It is working on my wiki using relative paths.
I have [img[./file/01.jpg]] in a tiddler and it works in linux at least.
And any subfolders under the folder listed as the filePathRoot are
available.
So I have
"filePathRoot":"/home/inmysocks/Pictures"
and then in the Pictures folder on my computer there is a folder called
plants, in the wiki I can have
[img[./file/plants/Aloe.jpg]] and it shows the Aloe.jpg file in the plants
folder.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-01 21:54:01 UTC
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The path and settings problems should be fixed in osx at least. It may also
be fixed on windows but I don't have a way to test it. It should be fixed
in both the single executable and normal node versions.
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2018-05-01 22:26:59 UTC
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Yeah, that is probably a good thing to make configurable, I will add it to
the settings. But I don't see how having the url set this way makes it less
portable.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-01 22:32:48 UTC
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Because now all your images have to have "file/" in front of them. If you
already have a host of image "TW-Images/..." then you can't move back and
forth without either spending a lot of time or losing part of your data.

Thanks!
Mark
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Yeah, that is probably a good thing to make configurable, I will add it to
the settings. But I don't see how having the url set this way makes it less
portable.
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@TiddlyTweeter
2018-05-02 09:35:35 UTC
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Ciao Jed

I tested using a fresh install. (Windows 7 64-bit / Firefox 52 is default
browser).

I created two wikis easily. Created Tiddlers in them.

Then I hit a problem creating a third third ... that does not appear on the
"wikis list" but is actually physically created ... Console reported ...


new connection
Wikis Folder Exists
Copied edition 'markdowndemo' to C:\bag\dld\Wikis\jedTestMD

WebSocket error, probably closed connection: SyntaxError: Unexpected token
o in JSON at position 1
at JSON.parse (<anonymous>)
at Object.$tw.nodeMessageHandlers.createNewWiki ($:/plugins/OokTech/
MultiUser/NodeMessageHandler
s.js:618:34)
at WebSocket.incoming ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/NodeWebSocketsSetup.
js:182:57)
at WebSocket.emit (events.js:159:13)
at Receiver._receiver.onmessage ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/
WebSocket.js:156:47)
at Receiver.dataMessage ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/Receiver.js:402
:14)
at Receiver.getData ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/Receiver.js:343:12)
at Receiver.startLoop ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/Receiver.js:178:
16)
at Receiver.add ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/Receiver.js:152:10)
at Socket._ultron.on ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/WebSocket.js:152:
22)


Josiah
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2018-05-02 09:50:04 UTC
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Jed

I replicated that issue. Did a fresh install. Created two wikis. Attempt to
make a third that failed exactly the same. The wiki is created but doesn't
appear on the list.

J.
Post by @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Jed
I tested using a fresh install. (Windows 7 64-bit / Firefox 52 is default
browser).
I created two wikis easily. Created Tiddlers in them.
Then I hit a problem creating a third wiki ... that does not appear on the
"wikis list" but is actually physically created ... Console reported ...
new connection
Wikis Folder Exists
Copied edition 'markdowndemo' to C:\bag\dld\Wikis\jedTestMD
WebSocket error, probably closed connection: SyntaxError: Unexpected
token o in JSON at position 1
at JSON.parse (<anonymous>)
at Object.$tw.nodeMessageHandlers.createNewWiki ($:/plugins/OokTech/
MultiUser/NodeMessageHandler
s.js:618:34)
at WebSocket.incoming ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/
NodeWebSocketsSetup.js:182:57)
at WebSocket.emit (events.js:159:13)
at Receiver._receiver.onmessage ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/
WebSocket.js:156:47)
402:14)
12)
at Receiver.startLoop ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/Receiver.js:178
:16)
at Receiver.add ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/Receiver.js:152:10)
at Socket._ultron.on ($:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/WS/WebSocket.js:152
:22)
Josiah
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2018-05-02 10:09:56 UTC
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Jed

I reverted to a fresh install of the previous version. I created 4 wikis
without problem.

J.
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Jed
I replicated that issue. Did a fresh install. Created two wikis. Attempt
to make a third that failed exactly the same. The wiki is created but
doesn't appear on the list.
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Pietro Abano
2018-07-27 11:30:50 UTC
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*Bob plugin - cannot delete a tiddler*

First of all, it is needless to stress the importance of a multi-user wiki
for me - in the past I have built quite extensive wikis (tw classic) with a
backend server (mysql, php, by using a so called “coolcold” version of tw
classic, cctiddly, now all extinct).

Actually, the main if not the only reason for being reluctant to switch to
TW5 for so long was the lack of multiple user capabilities.
Now, everything seems to change for better, thanks to you, Jed.

So, I have been using your multiuser, or Bob plugin since March and
everything seems to be fine.
The edited tiddler is locked (visibly and physically) even if it can be
deleted regardless of this locked state by another user
 which could be
handled by proper end-user instructions.

But recently I have noticed a strange thing: I can’t delete existing
tiddlers - they just come back. Sometimes I can rename them to $:/ to make
them at least “invisible”, sometimes even this change will not get saved.

One of the confusing things is the message “*This page is asking you to
confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved*.”
anytime I want to reload the site, even if nothing was edited/changed.

So from the front side I never know if the changes are actually saved, for
example when adding a tag from a macro (in view mode). The only way to see
this is to look at the back-end side, that is, to watch the running
wsserver on the command line (node ./tiddlywiki.js Wikis/BobWiki
--wsserver).

No matter what I do, I don’t seem to be able to delete a tiddler now
(trying different browsers, all on Mac).
I am attaching a screenshot from the command line to show what is going on
during the create, edit and delete operations.

The two differences I have noticed is the missing file extension (.tid)
when deleting a tiddler, while all the saves deal with tiddler_name.tid...
and notification about "delete tiddler", not "deleted tiddler".

When I compare the delete operation on a clean tw5 running on node (which
works) I can see this:

syncer-server-filesystem: Dispatching 'delete' task: test tiddler
filesystem: Deleted file /home/inet/twIBISv2/tw5onnode/tiddlers/test
tiddler.tid

While on tw5 with Bob I get only this:
Delete Tiddler /home/inet/twIBISv2/Wikis/IBIS/tiddlers / Test tiddler to
be deleted


If there's a possible catch with deleting tiddlers under node with Bob
plugin, please let me know how to go about this.

Thank you and good luck with Bob,

Pietro

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2018-05-02 11:05:04 UTC
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Were all three wikis using the same edition?

That is an odd error to get here. After it fails does the tiddler
$:/WikiSettings/split have anything in it?
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2018-05-02 11:41:22 UTC
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Were all three wikis using the same edition?
No. They don't have to be. On the first fail the first two were the same
and the third was different. On the second fail they were all the same.
Post by Jed Carty
That is an odd error to get here. After it fails does the tiddler
$:/WikiSettings/split have anything in it?
title: $:/WikiSettings/split
type: application/json

{
"wikis": "$:/WikiSettings/split/wikis",
"ws-server": "$:/WikiSettings/split/ws-server",
"suppressBrowser": false,
"serverInfo": "$:/WikiSettings/split/serverInfo"
}

FYI also ...

title: $:/WikiSettings/split/wikis
type: application/json

{
"testJed1": ".\\Wikis\\testJed1",
"testJed2": ".\\Wikis\\testJed2"
}

FYI, the physically created wikis are ...

testJed1
testJed2
testJed3

"testJed3" does not appear on the list of wikis.
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2018-05-02 13:02:19 UTC
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Jed

The behaviour on the new release was so odd I tested it on a completely
different machine to be sure it is real.

On a Windows 10 tablet I can replicate the behaviour--that you can create 2
wikis, but not 3.
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2018-05-02 14:21:57 UTC
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I think that I am going to need to borrow a windows machine from someone to
track this one down. I have no idea what could be causing it.
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2018-05-02 19:38:13 UTC
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Ok, it may actually work now. If you have time please try again.
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2018-05-02 19:57:03 UTC
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Thanks!

Looks like solved.

I made 5 wikis and in each made a Tiddler. All worked.

Its a neat bit of kit.
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Ok, it may actually work now. If you have time please try again.
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Kevin Kleinfelter
2018-05-02 22:39:14 UTC
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Is there a way to run the single-executable on a headless Linux box? It
seems to launch the server OK, but then it fails and throws errors because
it can't launch a web browser.
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There are some new updates to the (not yet renamed) multiuser plugin.
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2018-05-03 08:40:06 UTC
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Kevin,

You may be able to run the single executable version on a headless linux
box if you set the suppressBrowser option to true in settings.json. I
haven't tried it, I just run it normally in node on my headless server. In
settings.json put

"suppressBrowser": true

as one of the root level properties.

The creation fields bug has been around a while and I haven't been able to
find any reason. I should eventually get to it but it has been low priority
for me. And the preview being visible by default is part of the 5.1.16 and
Jeremy has addressed that in other threads, the reason here is the same,
state tiddlers aren't synced back to the server.
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Ed
2018-05-03 09:23:31 UTC
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Cher Jed,

Got the software up and running yesterday, some problems, but anyway, it
worked.
Many, many thanks for all the work, really!

But there is a little snag, I tried to install it at home, sometimes I
really have to work
at home, as I can do certain things there better than at the office.
My PC however is 32bits. So it won't happen here, I am afraid. Snifs.

Any chance for a 32bit version?
[I suppose not, must be a lot of extra work, but one can ask, isn't it.
8-)) ]

Salut! Ed.
= = = = =
.
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There are some new updates to the (not yet renamed) multiuser plugin.
There are a lot of updates to the inner workings since the last release of
the single executable.
It no longer shows the dirty indicator in most cases because it wasn't
accurate.
It also fixes some errors from when there are errors in given paths.
It adds a new command that starts the wiki without a server so it can be
used with an external server, like an express js server, to go with this
each web socket message is sent with an authentication token if one is
saved in localstorage.
there will be fewer terminal messages now
reconnecting to a server after losing the web socket connection is more
consistent
You can export each wiki as a single file html, but it is imperfect.
Documentation for the new message is in the plugin. But there is something
weird where the html file works everywhere aside from importing it into
another wiki.
The settings in the control panel are only available on the root wiki
because they should only be used there.
There is a checkbox in the control panel that adds the list of available
wikis to a tab in the sidebar.
The plugin repo is here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser
The single executable version is available here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.6
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Stobot
2018-05-06 02:32:15 UTC
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Jed - just wanted to reach out and pass along a huge thank you for this!
The multi-user capability that's easy to setup on Windows has been on the
top of my wish list since TW5 made the tiddlylock plugin inoperable.

While this is very easy, I still got confused trying to get it working once
everything was opened. There is a button to set to 0.0.0.0 but then the
text says press button for reset server, but the description after the
button also says reset server afterwards... I'm probably just an idiot. I
tried many things including eventually finding a tiddler with a reset
button, not sure if that's what finally got it working, or if it was the
multiple close / re-open operations etc.

Anyways, very impressive!
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2018-05-06 07:01:42 UTC
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I am often bad at writing documentation, so you are almost certainly not
the problem. I have been busy with other things ever since I made this so I
haven't done much other than try and fix bugs and it needs a pretty big
update to the setup documentation.

So that I can try and find places that are giving people trouble and fix
them, which version are you using? The normal plugin or the single
executable version?
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2018-05-06 12:05:30 UTC
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Executable version (Windows) in the Hello! tiddler.

Just for informational purposes, I'll also note that after downloading and
running the tiddlywin.exe file, my virus scanner (Symantec Endpoint
Protection) intervened and quarantined it so had to work around that as
well (I use a work computer that's pretty locked down). It labelled it as
"WS.Reputation.1" though not sure that's useful.
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I am often bad at writing documentation, so you are almost certainly not
the problem. I have been busy with other things ever since I made this so I
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update to the setup documentation.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-06 15:35:50 UTC
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You mean TiddlyWin.exe? For what its worth, I downloaded it, and neither
Avira nor Malwarebytes detected anything.

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Executable version (Windows) in the Hello! tiddler.
Just for informational purposes, I'll also note that after downloading and
running the tiddlywin.exe file, my virus scanner (Symantec Endpoint
Protection) intervened and quarantined it so had to work around that as
well (I use a work computer that's pretty locked down). It labelled it as
"WS.Reputation.1" though not sure that's useful.
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I am often bad at writing documentation, so you are almost certainly not
the problem. I have been busy with other things ever since I made this so I
haven't done much other than try and fix bugs and it needs a pretty big
update to the setup documentation.
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2018-05-06 15:51:20 UTC
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Much of the commercially available firewall or virus detection software is
going to treat anything that isn't associated with windows as suspicious.
Depending on what software is on the computer you may get messages about
network access and about running something suspicious and untrusted.

If you trust someone as suspicious as me enough to run software I made on
your computer is completely up to you.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2018-05-06 21:28:20 UTC
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It's not you personally. If there was virus on your machine, then it might
infect any executables that it could find, including the ones you post.

Of course, if you're using pure js code on node, then all you have to worry
about is the author.

I have this habit, that drives some people crazy, of "incubating" any files
that I download. That is, I try to give them a week or two before invoking
them. Virus detectors aren't magic -- they depend on a database of virus
matches. It may take days or weeks before a new virus gets into the
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If you trust someone as suspicious as me enough to run software I made on
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2018-05-06 16:17:53 UTC
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I just pushed some new changes. Most people probably won't see any
difference but there are two potentially important things:

1 - The rusScript message can not be set to run scripts in sequence. This
means that you can have tiddlywiki read you one tiddler at a time using the
'say' command on osx. (Thanks @Xavier for pointing this out!)

2 - There is now a big note of doom that explains what 'available on the
local network' means.


I think that the only thing keeping this from being version 1.0.0 is
documentation and a simple interface for all the configuration options. I
have no idea how long it will be before I get around to making either of
those.


I may have mentioned this before, but I have decided that I am not putting
access control and authentication inside the wiki itself because there are
too many places to make critical errors in terms of security and privacy.
So instead there is the externalserver command that you can use to use
tiddlywiki like a normal node module and serve the output using something
like an expressjs server. That lets you use standard methods for security
and authentication without it being tangled up with the wiki itself.
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2018-05-06 16:19:11 UTC
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Also before I release it as version 1.0.0 I need to change the name to Bob.
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Stobot
2018-05-06 20:35:57 UTC
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Thanks Jed - yes I agree the virus scanner my work uses is overly
suspicious and I'm used to it, just noting in case you wanted to mention in
the instructions for other less techie people using it.

The multi-user capability is still fantastic for me, but I definitely look
forward to when I can somehow separate my small group of authors as having
edit capabilities, and my larger audience having read-only. As I'm in a
corporate SharePoint / OneDrive environment, maybe there's a way I can
accomplish this with permissions from that end. I will try and let you
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Jed Carty
2018-05-06 22:02:39 UTC
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I made another quick update to both versions.
You can now set a path that it will use to search for editions that you can
make new wikis out of. It is just a wrapper that does the same thing as
setting the environment variable.

A description of this and the rest of the configuration is
here https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser/blob/master/Configuration.md

A list of what I am planning is here:
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser/issues/23

If you have something you want to request feel free, but I can't promise I
will get around to any of it in a reasonable amount of time.
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TonyM
2018-05-07 04:42:43 UTC
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Jed,

What is the best update method for single file and node versions?

If I simply overwrite the single file version will it loose some updated
settings or loose existing Available Wikis?

Thanks
Tony
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I made another quick update to both versions.
You can now set a path that it will use to search for editions that you
can make new wikis out of. It is just a wrapper that does the same thing as
setting the environment variable.
A description of this and the rest of the configuration is here
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser/blob/master/Configuration.md
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser/issues/23
If you have something you want to request feel free, but I can't promise I
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Post by Jed Carty
I made another quick update to both versions.
Testing it out. Overall looking good.

But I think there is a bug on deleting wiki. My case, Windows 7, 64-bit. Go
to "Manual Settings", "Wikis", select one and click the trash bin. Click
"Update Settings" ... Console reports it "saved file ...
WikiSettings_split_wikis.tid". The entry for the wiki disappears from the
list. Then close down the wiki and the server. Restart. The wiki I thought
I removed from the list comes back.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-07 06:51:03 UTC
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For the single file version just download the new executable file and
overwrite the old one, as long as you don't do anything to the IndexWiki or
Wikis folders than you won't lose anything. The settings are saved as part
of the IndexWiki.

For the normal node version just navigate to the plugin folder in a
terminal and type 'git pull' and it should update.
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2018-05-07 07:20:38 UTC
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Hi Jed, thank you for all your work on this. I'm now using MultiUser on my
home-network and it works fine - I'll let you know if I encounter problems

I wanted to post a question here, you certainly have the expertise to
understand if it's possible:

Could the MultiUser wiki serve the wikies through the dat:// protocol (
Beaker Browser and friends ) ?
I found this Dat Documentation about dat servers:
https://docs.datproject.org/server
I was thinking if a more secure peer-to-peer MultiUser - Environment could
be created that way ...
the way your MultiUser Wiki works seems to be the perfect thing for this,
if it's possible

Simon
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2018-05-07 08:13:38 UTC
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A dat based system like this would be possible but it would be a separate
thing. It may be possible to have a dat-based version running in parallel
with the current version but there would be differences. The current
version uses websockets for communication between different connected
computers which allows the simultaneous editing without much worry about
editing the same tiddler someone else is working on at the same time, the
dat protocol is written with different goals and doesn't have the same near
instantaneous updates between connected nodes.

I do have plans for future additions that are more secure, but that
security doesn't come from the tiddlywiki side. The multi-user wikis I have
online right now use a custom expressjs server that uses https/wss with
secure logins and authentication levels that allow different actions on
each wiki (like view, edit or administrator).
I also have another project called Dodo which is a purely p2p network that
uses websockets and should be able to pretty seemlessly integrate with what
I have made in tiddlywiki when it is ready, but there are only so many
hours in a day and I need to do paying work in order to do things like eat.
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Post by Jed Carty
A dat based system like this would be possible but it would be a separate
thing. It may be possible to have a dat-based version running in parallel
with the current version but there would be differences. The current
version uses websockets for communication between different connected
computers which allows the simultaneous editing without much worry about
editing the same tiddler someone else is working on at the same time, the
dat protocol is written with different goals and doesn't have the same near
instantaneous updates between connected nodes.
I do have plans for future additions that are more secure, but that
security doesn't come from the tiddlywiki side. The multi-user wikis I have
online right now use a custom expressjs server that uses https/wss with
secure logins and authentication levels that allow different actions on
each wiki (like view, edit or administrator).
I also have another project called Dodo which is a purely p2p network that
uses websockets and should be able to pretty seemlessly integrate with what
I have made in tiddlywiki when it is ready, but there are only so many
hours in a day and I need to do paying work in order to do things like eat.
Thanks for the info, Jed!

I absolutely understand the time-consuming efforts you make to build the
MultiUserWiki and don't want to request for more
Don't let yourself distract by my idea, I was just curious if it's possible.
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Jed Carty
2018-05-07 10:40:30 UTC
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In what is hopefully the last update before I change the name to Bob and
release it as version 1.0.0 I have made the url prefix used to serve files
configurable and made the list of file extensions/mime types the server is
allowed to serve configurable.

See the documentation in the plugin readme for more about how to set it up.

I haven't found any way to reliably detect if you set the root path for the
static server to something you shouldn't, like c:\ on windows or / on linux
or osx, but don't do that. It is a bad idea.
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2018-05-07 19:06:23 UTC
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I can't duplicate that on windows 10, osx or linux. Has anyone else run
into this same error? And are you sure you clicked on the Update Settings
button? It should say 'Wrote settings file', not just the part about saving
the tiddler because those tiddlers are recreated each time the server
starts.
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2018-05-07 19:31:13 UTC
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Jed

Thanks. I'll go through it again tomorrow and let you know to be sure.
Josiah.
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I can't duplicate that on windows 10, osx or linux. Has anyone else run
into this same error? And are you sure you clicked on the Update Settings
button? It should say 'Wrote settings file', not just the part about saving
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2018-05-07 19:27:57 UTC
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I am now having the same problem with my existing wikis but not with new
installs. I am looking at it.
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Jed Carty
2018-07-27 13:38:22 UTC
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Pietro

That is a bug from one of the old releases, I missed a spot where it should
have deleted a tiddler. If you are using the plugin version off GitHub than
updating to the newest version should take care of the problem. If you are
using the single file version I forgot about that and I need to update it.
I will try and get to it sometime this weekend.
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Pietro Abano
2018-07-27 18:21:26 UTC
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Jed,

I appreciate your effort, thank you. And no rush. At least I know the
problem is not in my settings or something.

Cheers,

PA
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Pietro
That is a bug from one of the old releases, I missed a spot where it
should have deleted a tiddler. If you are using the plugin version off
GitHub than updating to the newest version should take care of the problem.
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update it. I will try and get to it sometime this weekend.
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Pietro Abano
2018-07-27 20:06:28 UTC
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Jed,

I just did a fresh install from git, quickly tested and - deleting works
now.
Thanks a lot.

And I might have been wrong even with deleting a locked tiddler - when one
user wants to delete a tiddler that's been locked by another one.
The tiddler only appears to be deleted, it will come back on refresh...
Great.


PA

Btw, my wiki has now 1100 standard tiddlers and 2215 shadow tiddlers.
Post by Pietro Abano
Pietro
That is a bug from one of the old releases, I missed a spot where it
should have deleted a tiddler. If you are using the plugin version off
GitHub than updating to the newest version should take care of the problem.
If you are using the single file version I forgot about that and I need to
update it. I will try and get to it sometime this weekend.
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