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[tw5] Preparing for v5.1.16
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-07 16:17:06 UTC
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The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot of exciting new features:

* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts

In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as possible to give the prerelease a try:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>

Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.

If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.

Best wishes

Jeremy.
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-07 16:58:44 UTC
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Hi @Jeremy Ruston ,

the codemirror prerelease demo page is still the old one, can this be
changed somehow for these testing days?

Simon
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-07 17:05:22 UTC
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the codemirror prerelease demo page is still the old one, can this be changed somehow for these testing days?
Hi Simon

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Has something not built correctly, or did I miss some of your changes?

Best wishes

Jeremy
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-07 17:12:07 UTC
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Post by BurningTreeC
the codemirror prerelease demo page is still the old one, can this be
changed somehow for these testing days?
Hi Simon
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Has something not built correctly, or
did I miss some of your changes?
Best wishes
Jeremy
on the prerelease page there's the link to the codemirror demo which is
not the prerelease demo but the old one
I think it's just changing the link to the demo
from https://tiddlywiki.com/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/
to https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/ for the
prerelease page

Simon
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-07 17:14:49 UTC
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on the prerelease page there's the link to the codemirror demo which is not the prerelease demo but the old one
I think it's just changing the link to the demo from https://tiddlywiki.com/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/ to https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/ for the prerelease page
Aha, thanks,

Best wishes

Jeremy.
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-07 17:08:33 UTC
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Also, a question about the d3.js plugin

It's been updated by @Silverfox and me over the last weeks ... to the
latest v5.0.0

@Silverfox has modified the barwidget and added a circle-pack widget and is
developing more widgets

With the updated base and the two widgets, could it be considered for the
release, too?

The google groups thread is here
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/MIm5WyIZIhg>

The tiddlyspot page is here <http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com/>

I would prepare a PR


Simon
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-07 17:14:12 UTC
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Hi Simon
Post by BurningTreeC
Also, a question about the d3.js plugin
@Silverfox has modified the barwidget and added a circle-pack widget and is developing more widgets
With the updated base and the two widgets, could it be considered for the release, too?
The google groups thread is here
The tiddlyspot page is here
I would prepare a PR
Great, yes, if you can pull together a PR, it would be pretty low risk to merge it before the release.

Many thanks

Jeremy
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-07 17:17:48 UTC
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Post by BurningTreeC
Also, a question about the d3.js plugin
@Silverfox has modified the barwidget and added a circle-pack widget and
is developing more widgets
With the updated base and the two widgets, could it be considered for the release, too?
The google groups thread is here
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/MIm5WyIZIhg>
The tiddlyspot page is here <http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com/>
I would prepare a PR
Great, yes, if you can pull together a PR, it would be pretty low risk to
merge it before the release.
Many thanks
Jeremy
It's as good as done, thank you Jeremy!
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Arlen Beiler
2018-04-08 01:25:42 UTC
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Hi Jeremy,

Great to see this coming together. Thank you for all your work on this.

I'm wondering if these two pull requests could possibly be included.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3024 - Invoke hook when
server starts
- Adds a hook to the server command so plugins can add routes and
websockets without rewriting the server. Both the node server and
SimpleServer instance are needed to give maximum extensibility with minimal
disruption.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2990 - Allow specifying a
custom boot path
- Allows the boot path to be different from boot.js. Useful for compiled
executables. Not as important as the first one.

Both of them are slightly more advanced code features, but for someone like
me who knows more about boot.js than what widgets are available, these are
two that I see as being very useful, and also very simple at the same time.

Also, this line is missing an else. It should be else if, not just if,
because otherwise the callback can get called twice. It results in an RSOD
anytime there is a 412. Everyone has been running into this who uses the
PUT saver with etags.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/savers/put.js#L73

Thanks,
Arlen
Post by BurningTreeC
Also, a question about the d3.js plugin
Post by BurningTreeC
@Silverfox has modified the barwidget and added a circle-pack widget and
is developing more widgets
With the updated base and the two widgets, could it be considered for the release, too?
The google groups thread is here
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/MIm5WyIZIhg>
The tiddlyspot page is here <http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com/>
I would prepare a PR
Great, yes, if you can pull together a PR, it would be pretty low risk to
merge it before the release.
Many thanks
Jeremy
It's as good as done, thank you Jeremy!
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PMario
2018-04-08 07:36:34 UTC
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There is an issue from Nov 2016, which contains PRs, that where finished

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/2642

2 PRs are still open. ... Please consider them for merging. ...

-m
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Ton Gerner
2018-04-08 10:25:17 UTC
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Hi Jeremy,

I updated the Dutch translation to the latest prerelease.
You can find it at http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/

Cheers,

Ton
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-10 09:47:45 UTC
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Thanks Ton, the update is now committed and available on the prerelease.

Best wishes

Jeremy
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Hi Jeremy,
I updated the Dutch translation to the latest prerelease.
You can find it at http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/
Cheers,
Ton
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TheDiveO
2018-04-08 18:08:33 UTC
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-08 19:38:19 UTC
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Hi @Jeremy Ruston ,

The new *data-tiddler-title* isn't mentioned anywhere in the release notes
or the docs

It can be used to style Tiddlers by title, I think that's a big usability
plus and notable



[data-tiddler-title="HelloThere"] { background-color: #333333; }


Simon
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Jan Johannpeter
2018-04-08 23:17:56 UTC
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Hi Simon, Hi Jeremy,
it would be great to be able to style tiddlers by type like
[data-tiddler-type="text/plain"] { background-color: #333333; } text/plain.

Could you make this possible?

Jan
Post by BurningTreeC
The new *data-tiddler-title* isn't mentioned anywhere in the release
notes or the docs
It can be used to style Tiddlers by title, I think that's a big usability
plus and notable
[data-tiddler-title="HelloThere"] { background-color: #333333; }
Simon
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-09 07:01:09 UTC
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Post by Jan Johannpeter
Hi Simon, Hi Jeremy,
it would be great to be able to style tiddlers by type like
[data-tiddler-type="text/plain"] { background-color: #333333; } text/plain.
Could you make this possible?
Jan
after the data-tiddler-title=... add your data-tiddler-type=...

I think most of the tiddlers won't have any type assigned, that's why I
would do it like this:

<$set name="dataTiddlerType"
filter="[{!!type}regexp[^$]addprefix[text/vnd.tiddlywiki]]"><div
class=<<frame-classes>> ... data-tiddler-type=<<dataTiddlerType>>>

... don't forget to close the <$set> after the closing </div> ... take care
that you don't add new lines


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PMario
2018-04-09 09:10:49 UTC
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--------------- Off Topic warning -------------------------

TLDR;

So having all those discussions and implementations in place, I would
suggest to add 1 more thing, to the view template, for ultimate
flexibility, *without *increasing complexity.

- We have a "color" field to define tag-colors
- We can have a "class" field that's added to a tiddler and the view
tempate like this:


\define frame-classes()
tc-tiddler-frame tc-tiddler-view-frame $(missingTiddlerClass)$ $(
shadowTiddlerClass)$ $(systemTiddlerClass)$ $(tiddlerTagClasses)$ $(
userClass)$
\end
\define folded-state()
$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$
\end
<$vars storyTiddler=<<currentTiddler>> tiddlerInfoState=<<qualify
"$:/state/popup/tiddler-info">> userClass={{!!class}}><$tiddler tiddler=<<
currentTiddler>>><div data-title=<<currentTiddler>> data-tags={{!!tags}}
class=<<frame-classes>>><$list filter=
"[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]!has[draft.of]]" variable=
"listItem"><$transclude tiddler=<<listItem>>/></$list>
</div>
</$tiddler></$vars>

I think, this will create the ultimate flexibility about tiddler body
styling, in a performant and backwards compatible way.

----------------------------------------
Post by BurningTreeC
The new *data-tiddler-title* isn't mentioned anywhere in the release
notes or the docs
That's not merged yet. IMO because we couldn't find a consensus, how it
should be implemented. ... See link to the discussions later in the post.

And your "data-tiddler-xxxxx" or "data-tiddler-type" example shows, that we
may need a more generic solution. ... keep on reading ;)

------------

My initial pull-request had only 1 intention: To fix the
"tc-tagged-Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki" problem. ... I think you can see
the problem here.

The CSS definition is a bit complicated for spaces. ... BUT imo it is
completely broken for languages, that use the Cyrillic or other alphabets.

eg: a tag like: слПЌаММый
would be tc-tagged-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9

Creating and maintaining these type of CSS rules, imo is a completely
broken user experience. My initial PR could nicely fix this issue.

The whole PR consists of about 17 tiddlers, where *16 are documentation*
about the new possibilities.

*ONLY 1 line in the ViewTemplate had to be changed* to:

<$set name="storyTiddler" value=<<currentTiddler>>><$set
name="tiddlerInfoState" value=<<qualify "$:/state/popup/tiddler-info">>><$tiddler
tiddler=<<currentTiddler>>><div data-title=<<currentTiddler>>
data-tags={{!!tags}} class=<<frame-classes>>><$list
filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]!has[draft.of]]"
variable="listItem"><$transclude tiddler=<<listItem>>/></$list>



Discussions can be seen at my 1st
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2737> and 2nd PR
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3038> at GitHub. ... Be
warned there are 2 "Walls of text"

Especially this post may be interesting:
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3038#issuecomment-349011301
It defines a way to dynamically define a stylesheet, based on any field.
... The problem here is. It may have a negative performance impact. ...
see: "may have" ...


If you need special handling for a tiddler with a field: rank and the
Post by BurningTreeC
title: myStyles
tags: $:/tags/Stylesheet
<$list filter="[rank[species]]">
[data-title^="<$view field=title/>"] .tc-tiddler-body {
column-count: 2;
}
</$list>
And you are good to go.
This is a very similar mechanism as you explained with "data-tiddler-type"
___without___ the need to change the ViewTemplate and the exact same
performance characteristic. ...

Conclusion!

If you made it that far ... Go up and read the TLDR;

---------------- OT END -------------------

Have fun!
mario

PS: I'll update my PR. Add data-tags and data-title attributes to the
ViewTemplate #3038
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3038#issuecomment-349011301>
and the doc at: http://2737.tiddlyspot.com accordingly.
PPS: tiddlyspot contains the proposed ViewTemplate for further testing!
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BurningTreeC
2018-04-09 09:16:29 UTC
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I read the whole thing @pmario

on the prerelease page you can see that data-tiddler-title is already in
the viewtemplate
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PMario
2018-04-09 09:24:17 UTC
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on the prerelease page you can see that data-tiddler-title is already in
Post by BurningTreeC
the viewtemplate
..ok, .. I missed that one ;)

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TheDiveO
2018-04-09 17:21:40 UTC
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PMario,

does this already cover the case where a title contains quotes? Or does
this need some escaping?

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2018-04-09 22:33:56 UTC
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Post by TheDiveO
PMario,
does this already cover the case where a title contains quotes? Or does
this need some escaping?
It can do, what a browser can handle. .. NO TW specific stuff here.

eg: title: aa"aa

CSS:

[data-title="aa\"aa"] {
border: 4px solid blue;
}



or

[data-title='aa"aa'] {
border: 4px solid blue;
}



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BurningTreeC
2018-04-09 09:30:52 UTC
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@Jeremy Ruston

about the d3 plugin: I think we won't make it in time to adjust the new
widgets so that they can be used in a productive way - they're still in a
demo-state

We can leave the plugin as it is, or remove the widgets and have just the
library updated - adding some infos and links to the readme
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Silverfox
2018-04-09 11:40:16 UTC
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Sorry I dont have enough time and all the required skills to update it in
due time for v5.1.16 release, but I promise I'll go on working on it for
next one.
(I just started learning JavaScript, D3 and TW in January... my coding
efficiency is still limited)
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@Jeremy Ruston
about the d3 plugin: I think we won't make it in time to adjust the new
widgets so that they can be used in a productive way - they're still in a
demo-state
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2018-04-09 12:20:16 UTC
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Post by Silverfox
Sorry I dont have enough time and all the required skills to update it in
due time for v5.1.16 release, but I promise I'll go on working on it for
next one.
(I just started learning JavaScript, D3 and TW in January... my coding
efficiency is still limited)
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@Jeremy Ruston
about the d3 plugin: I think we won't make it in time to adjust the new
widgets so that they can be used in a productive way - they're still in a
demo-state
We can leave the plugin as it is, or remove the widgets and have just the
library updated - adding some infos and links to the readme
Here I'm just trying to see if it can make it in as it is - it's not worse
than the one before, but up to date
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Abraham Samma
2018-04-12 00:29:04 UTC
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Great to see a new version of TW5 coming so soon. Already checking out the
pre-release.

BTW Jeremy, I don't know if this has simply been accepted as a given but I
sometimes find it tedious to have to deal with long "Internal JS error"
messages that overflow beyond the screen in other browsers besides Chrome.
There's no way to scroll through the message to get to the form button that
closes the error message. I've had to directly modify the way the message
is created via the domMaker method to shorten the message to prevent this
nuisance. Shouldn't this be something deserving of a more permanent
solution? It won't cost more than a few changes in bootjs.

A screenshot of an example in the latest stable version of firefox is
attached

Regards.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of
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If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
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Matthew Lauber
2018-04-12 02:10:06 UTC
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Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range> widget
that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is operator
to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of
your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Mohammad
2018-04-13 08:18:33 UTC
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Is katex on the prerealse is still 0.6?

Look at

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fkatex


The readme still states it is based on katex 0.6!
Post by Matthew Lauber
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range>
widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is operator
to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of
your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-13 08:26:17 UTC
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Thanks Mohammad, I’ll correct it,

Best wishes

Jeremy
Post by Mohammad
Is katex on the prerealse is still 0.6?
Look at
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fkatex <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fkatex>
The readme still states it is based on katex 0.6!
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988> Adding a <$range> widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982> Modify the is operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Mohammad
2018-04-13 09:12:33 UTC
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Jeremy!
The highlight plugin may be updated for the latest highlight.js 9.12

Mohammad
Post by Jeremy Ruston
Thanks Mohammad, I’ll correct it,
Best wishes
Jeremy
Is katex on the prerealse is still 0.6?
Look at
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fkatex
The readme still states it is based on katex 0.6!
Post by Matthew Lauber
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range>
widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is
operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
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If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
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Matthew Lauber
2018-04-16 14:51:29 UTC
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Any word on the range widget PR
here? https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988

If there's something that needs done with it, I'm happy to add to the PR.

Thanks,
Matt Lauber
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Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range>
widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is operator
to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-24 07:22:08 UTC
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I'm afraid my progress has been slower for the last 3 weeks than I'd hoped due to suddenly succumbing to something called bursitis of my elbows (which is a medical term for “expert torture administered via the elbows”). Maddening condition for a programmer: typing, using a touch screen or trackpad all induce nerve-shredding agony. It's slowly getting better but I can still only type for short bursts. On the positive side, it's given me some welcome insights into everyday life for people who rely on assistive technologies.

Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the release).

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Any word on the range widget PR here? https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988
If there's something that needs done with it, I'm happy to add to the PR.
Thanks,
Matt Lauber
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Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range> widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
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Brady77
2018-04-24 07:54:35 UTC
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I'm really sorry to hear that, Jeremy. Any inflammation that affects the
joints area is extremely painful (from my own experience, unfortunately).
After weeks of agony I luckily found an effective treatment by combining
prescribed "Western" anti-inflammatory drugs with Traditional Chinese
Medicine herbs. Should you need some information, drop me a private
message. Wish you quick relief.

Petr
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Jeremy Ruston
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Hi Petr

Thanks for the kind words; I’ve dropped you an email privately to take you up on your offer.

Best wishes

Jeremy
I'm really sorry to hear that, Jeremy. Any inflammation that affects the joints area is extremely painful (from my own experience, unfortunately). After weeks of agony I luckily found an effective treatment by combining prescribed "Western" anti-inflammatory drugs with Traditional Chinese Medicine herbs. Should you need some information, drop me a private message. Wish you quick relief.
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PMario
2018-04-24 07:56:08 UTC
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Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any
showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the
release).
Hi,

Could you have a closer look at: Add data attributes to ViewTemplate #3209
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3209> too?

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PMario
2018-04-24 07:58:12 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Ruston
Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any
showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the
release).
Hi,
Could you have a closer look at: Add data attributes to ViewTemplate #3209
<https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3209> too?
Most of it is documentation. Only the ViewTemplate contains some changes.
Example can be seen at: 2737.tiddlyspot.com
<http://2737.tiddlyspot.com/#How%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles:%5B%5BHow%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles%5D%5D%20%5B%5BCustom%20styles%20by%20user-class%5D%5D>
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-24 22:16:41 UTC
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I’ve posted another update with the last minute changes proposed today. Please give it a try and let me know of any issues; I now plan to make the release tomorrow,

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>

Best wishes

Jeremy
Post by Jeremy Ruston
I'm afraid my progress has been slower for the last 3 weeks than I'd hoped due to suddenly succumbing to something called bursitis of my elbows (which is a medical term for “expert torture administered via the elbows”). Maddening condition for a programmer: typing, using a touch screen or trackpad all induce nerve-shredding agony. It's slowly getting better but I can still only type for short bursts. On the positive side, it's given me some welcome insights into everyday life for people who rely on assistive technologies.
Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the release).
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Any word on the range widget PR here? https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988>
If there's something that needs done with it, I'm happy to add to the PR.
Thanks,
Matt Lauber
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988> Adding a <$range> widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982> Modify the is operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
Best wishes
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Mat
2018-04-24 23:18:12 UTC
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Post by PMario
issues
Trying out the range widget:

I type in <$range/> in the text field which gives the slider thingy. I.e I
don't explicitly state any field.
Pulling the slider to a position totally replaces(!) everything(!) in the
current field with the static corresponding value.
This is not what happens when you pull the slider from a <input
type="range"> html element, where instead "nothing" happens.

I'm thinking that if "nothing" should happen, then maybe there should be
some other default field (e.g "range-value") or that the slider is blocked
or something. Or maybe some warning or confirmation request? The most user
friendly is probably having a default field.

The existing rangewidget default attribute does not seem to be about this
matter.

<:-)
Post by PMario
I’ve posted another update with the last minute changes proposed today.
Please give it a try and let me know of any issues; I now plan to makye the
release tomorrow,
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Best wishes
Jeremy
I'm afraid my progress has been slower for the last 3 weeks than I'd hoped
due to suddenly succumbing to something called bursitis of my elbows (which
is a medical term for “expert torture administered via the elbows”).
Maddening condition for a programmer: typing, using a touch screen or
trackpad all induce nerve-shredding agony. It's slowly getting better but I
can still only type for short bursts. On the positive side, it's given me
some welcome insights into everyday life for people who rely on assistive
technologies.
Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any
showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the
release).
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Any word on the range widget PR here?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988
If there's something that needs done with it, I'm happy to add to the PR.
Thanks,
Matt Lauber
Post by Matthew Lauber
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range>
widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is
operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of
your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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TonyM
2018-04-25 00:00:01 UTC
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Some quick examples to add to the range widget documentation (tested
on https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/)

1-10
<$range field=number-field min=-1 max=10 default=1 increment=1 ></$range>
{{!!number-field}}

0 to 1 for percentages

<$range tiddler="Settings tiddler" field=number-field min=0 max=1
default=.01 increment=.01 ></$range> {{Settings tiddler!!number-field}}

Ideally all command/widgets should have a "code template" we can copy to
clipboard

<$range tiddler="" field="" min=1 max=10 increment=1 default=1
class=""></$range>

Otherwise it is time consuming for the user to build the command

If the commands feature demands it we may present multiple forms of the
code template.

Regards
Tony
Post by Jeremy Ruston
I’ve posted another update with the last minute changes proposed today.
Please give it a try and let me know of any issues; I now plan to make the
release tomorrow,
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Best wishes
Jeremy
I'm afraid my progress has been slower for the last 3 weeks than I'd hoped
due to suddenly succumbing to something called bursitis of my elbows (which
is a medical term for “expert torture administered via the elbows”).
Maddening condition for a programmer: typing, using a touch screen or
trackpad all induce nerve-shredding agony. It's slowly getting better but I
can still only type for short bursts. On the positive side, it's given me
some welcome insights into everyday life for people who rely on assistive
technologies.
Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any
showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the
release).
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Any word on the range widget PR here?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988
If there's something that needs done with it, I'm happy to add to the PR.
Thanks,
Matt Lauber
Post by Matthew Lauber
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 Adding a <$range>
widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 Modify the is
operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of
your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Jeremy Ruston
2018-04-25 13:35:40 UTC
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Thanks Tony, I’ve added your examples for v5.1.16,

Best wishes

Jeremy
Some quick examples to add to the range widget documentation (tested on https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/)
1-10
<$range field=number-field min=-1 max=10 default=1 increment=1 ></$range> {{!!number-field}}
0 to 1 for percentages
<$range tiddler="Settings tiddler" field=number-field min=0 max=1 default=.01 increment=.01 ></$range> {{Settings tiddler!!number-field}}
Ideally all command/widgets should have a "code template" we can copy to clipboard
<$range tiddler="" field="" min=1 max=10 increment=1 default=1 class=""></$range>
Otherwise it is time consuming for the user to build the command
If the commands feature demands it we may present multiple forms of the code template.
Regards
Tony
I’ve posted another update with the last minute changes proposed today. Please give it a try and let me know of any issues; I now plan to make the release tomorrow,
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>
Best wishes
Jeremy
Post by Jeremy Ruston
I'm afraid my progress has been slower for the last 3 weeks than I'd hoped due to suddenly succumbing to something called bursitis of my elbows (which is a medical term for “expert torture administered via the elbows”). Maddening condition for a programmer: typing, using a touch screen or trackpad all induce nerve-shredding agony. It's slowly getting better but I can still only type for short bursts. On the positive side, it's given me some welcome insights into everyday life for people who rely on assistive technologies.
Anyhow, I intend to release 5.1.16 later today unless anyone has any showstopper concerns (I do intend to merge Matt's range widget before the release).
Best wishes
Jeremy.
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Any word on the range widget PR here? https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988>
If there's something that needs done with it, I'm happy to add to the PR.
Thanks,
Matt Lauber
Could I get the following PRs looked at for inclusion?
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2988> Adding a <$range> widget that supports all the features of the <input type="range"> element.
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2982> Modify the is operator to allow multiple types to be specified.
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>
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Best wishes
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@TiddlyTweeter
2018-04-16 11:09:52 UTC
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Ciao Jeremy

Small point. There are references to "TiddlySpace" in the documentation at:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyWiki%20in%20the%20Sky%20for%20TiddlyWeb

and

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlySpace

... that maybe should be updated/removed?

and

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#History%20of%20TiddlyWiki

... maybe updated not to be linked to a TiddlySpace Tiddler?

Best wishes
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TonyM
2018-04-25 00:30:44 UTC
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Feedback,

Using the CodeMirror plugin I can insert tabs in the text, long desired.
However the tabs only show in edit mode, not view mode

Perhaps this is desirable

However if a line has one or more tab characters in it it is not visible
yet it is no longer blank and will cause text to move up and join the line
before. ie; same paragraph.

This could frustrate a lot of people trying to debug their tiddler view
content.

Solutions?, A edit/View mode that shows hidden characters, or honour tabs
in view mode such that they also end the paragraph/

Regards
Tony
Post by Jeremy Ruston
The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot
* Copying to the clipboard
* A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
* A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
* Comparison operators for the reveal widget
* Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
* A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much
better extensibility and customisability
* Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability
via declarative JSON rules
* An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
* The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to
scrolling and zooming
* Sharper and more readable default fonts
In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
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PMario
2018-04-25 00:54:32 UTC
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Post by TonyM
Using the CodeMirror plugin I can insert tabs in the text, long desired.
However the tabs only show in edit mode, not view mode
Tabs are __not__ a "styling" element. They are treated as whitespace in
HTML.
Post by TonyM
However if a line has one or more tab characters in it it is not visible
yet it is no longer blank and will cause text to move up and join the line
before. ie; same paragraph.
That's an issue or feature request. ... I think you could start a new
thread for codemirror only. ... It may be possible to create a setting,
that shows whitespace, like spaces and tabs ...
Post by TonyM
This could frustrate a lot of people trying to debug their tiddler view
content.
As I wrote. Either create a new issue at github or start a new thread in
the group. So it won't be forgotten.
Post by TonyM
Solutions?, A edit/View mode that shows hidden characters,
Should be possible.
Post by TonyM
or honour tabs in view mode such that they also end the paragraph/
no .. Only 2 "new lines" ends a paragraph.

If tabs cause a lot of problems, we will need to turn them off for TW
wikitext. They are invisible anyway.

Tabs can only be used for json, data tidlers, CSS, SVG and javascript code.

have fun!
mario
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TonyM
2018-04-25 03:09:27 UTC
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Mario,

I hear all you are saying. On Further consideration.


- The main need I have for tabs in wiki-text tiddlers is for
structuring information in edit mode so that it is more reasonable to read.
I could live with its invisible non line break if in some modes I could see
them, and even if not rendered in the View Template.
- The secondary need I have, which many authors and content provides has
is for indent in this case ":" works for this in tiddlywiki (although on my
keyboard it is a shift-: and you have to place ":::" at the beginning of a
line not while you are typing.
- The final need is to organise text in simple columns, this is when it
is displayed as well, and its helpful that tab"text" moves it to the next
tab position.

A work around for this last items would be
|*|Item|detail|
|*|Item 2|detail|

if I could easily make the table boarders disappear.

Regards
Tony
Post by PMario
Post by TonyM
Using the CodeMirror plugin I can insert tabs in the text, long desired.
However the tabs only show in edit mode, not view mode
Tabs are __not__ a "styling" element. They are treated as whitespace in
HTML.
Post by TonyM
However if a line has one or more tab characters in it it is not visible
yet it is no longer blank and will cause text to move up and join the line
before. ie; same paragraph.
That's an issue or feature request. ... I think you could start a new
thread for codemirror only. ... It may be possible to create a setting,
that shows whitespace, like spaces and tabs ...
Post by TonyM
This could frustrate a lot of people trying to debug their tiddler view
content.
As I wrote. Either create a new issue at github or start a new thread in
the group. So it won't be forgotten.
Post by TonyM
Solutions?, A edit/View mode that shows hidden characters,
Should be possible.
Post by TonyM
or honour tabs in view mode such that they also end the paragraph/
no .. Only 2 "new lines" ends a paragraph.
If tabs cause a lot of problems, we will need to turn them off for TW
wikitext. They are invisible anyway.
Tabs can only be used for json, data tidlers, CSS, SVG and javascript code.
have fun!
mario
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PMario
2018-04-25 07:57:23 UTC
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Hi Tony,

I can "hear you" ... but it's OT here. That's why I moved this discussion
to its own thread: discussion: codemirror editor and improved indentation
handling <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/0yNfYL4GcJI>

have fun!
mario
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Jed Carty
2018-04-25 10:31:47 UTC
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Mat,

That is the same problem that an empty textedit widget has, and I think the
select widget too. So it isn't unexpected. Unfortunately I am not sure what
to do to fix it since defaulting to the text field and current tiddler is
used a lot in tiddlywiki and changing that in general would break a lot.

I just noticed that the checkbox widget doesn't have this problem so I
guess there is some precedent for it. I am not sure what the checkbox
widget does when no attributes are given.
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Jed Carty
2018-04-25 14:10:44 UTC
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On the prerelease I am listed as @inmysock instead of @inmysocks so it
points to a non-existent GitHub user. As much as I enjoy that I should
probably change it. Is it easier for you if I make a pull request with the
change?
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