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Asimov Isaac
2017-05-17 05:02:51 UTC
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Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render vertical
list, such as:

- aaaa
- bbbb
- sss
- ooo
- cccc

Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the picture below is
really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like " ***.tiddlyspace.com" are out
of date so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.

Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a horizontal tree just
with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex items like "root","branch", "entry"
and so on.

Thank you!

BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the "plantuml"
plugin. They help me a lot.

Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05


圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar centered on the
parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with rather small
lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<Loading Image...>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with those branchy
things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be horizontal
again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Stephen Wilson
2017-05-17 12:09:35 UTC
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Have you tried TidGraph?
https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5

Might do what you're looking for.
Stephen
Post by Asimov Isaac
Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render vertical
- aaaa
- bbbb
- sss
- ooo
- cccc
Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the picture below is
really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like " ***.tiddlyspace.com" are out
of date so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.
Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a horizontal tree
just with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex items like "root","branch",
"entry" and so on.
Thank you!
BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the "plantuml"
plugin. They help me a lot.
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar centered on the
parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with rather small
lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cna27f0TpDI/UjGDPSIw6bI/AAAAAAAABPI/TwmxrPcrK9U/s1600/ParentNodes.png>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with those branchy
things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be horizontal
again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Alex Hough
2017-05-17 14:13:03 UTC
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The TidGraph would be good if the node filter could take TagTemplate...they
you could see and rearange tiddlers

<$tidgraph start="Virtues" nodetemplate="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>

Alex -
Post by Stephen Wilson
Have you tried TidGraph?
https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%
20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
Might do what you're looking for.
Stephen
Post by Asimov Isaac
Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render vertical
- aaaa
- bbbb
- sss
- ooo
- cccc
Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the picture below
is really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like " ***.tiddlyspace.com" are
out of date so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.
Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a horizontal tree
just with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex items like "root","branch",
"entry" and so on.
Thank you!
BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the "plantuml"
plugin. They help me a lot.
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar centered on the
parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with rather small
lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cna27f0TpDI/UjGDPSIw6bI/AAAAAAAABPI/TwmxrPcrK9U/s1600/ParentNodes.png>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with those branchy
things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be horizontal
again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Asimov Isaac
2017-05-18 07:11:11 UTC
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Thank you for your nice advice.
Yes, I have installed Tidgraph before. It is really amazing.

But the disadvantage of Tidgraph is that the nodes must be tiddlers or the
filter operators of tiddlers.
What I want is that I do not need to create new tiddlers, and the nodes are
just some texts. Just like what you do in some mindmap softwares, such as
MindManager or XMind.

Or to be more accurate, the plugin "family-tree" linked below is nearly
what I want.
http://familytree.tiddlyspot.com/

The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the hierarchies
increase,

Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him about
this?
I believe that there must be some other people who need this kind of plugin.

Anyway, thanks again for your kind reply. I would update this post if I get
any information from the author of the "family-tree".

Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05


圚 2017幎5月17日星期䞉 UTC+8䞋午8:09:35Stephen Wilson写道
Post by Stephen Wilson
Have you tried TidGraph?
https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
Might do what you're looking for.
Stephen
Post by Asimov Isaac
Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render vertical
- aaaa
- bbbb
- sss
- ooo
- cccc
Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the picture below
is really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like " ***.tiddlyspace.com" are
out of date so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.
Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a horizontal tree
just with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex items like "root","branch",
"entry" and so on.
Thank you!
BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the "plantuml"
plugin. They help me a lot.
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar centered on the
parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with rather small
lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cna27f0TpDI/UjGDPSIw6bI/AAAAAAAABPI/TwmxrPcrK9U/s1600/ParentNodes.png>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with those branchy
things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be horizontal
again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Pit.W.
2017-05-20 22:16:24 UTC
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Just for the fun of it: I found this by accident.

the code below leads also to results. Could be quite powerful...
Was that intended? @Mat
Or is it an "Easter egg" ?


Kind regards

Pit


<div class="family-tree">

*Tree
*Tree2
**<<list-links "[!is[system]search[child]]">>

</div>
Post by Asimov Isaac
Thank you for your nice advice.
Yes, I have installed Tidgraph before. It is really amazing.
But the disadvantage of Tidgraph is that the nodes must be tiddlers or
the filter operators of tiddlers.
What I want is that I do not need to create new tiddlers, and the
nodes are just some texts. Just like what you do in some mindmap
softwares, such as MindManager or XMind.
Or to be more accurate, the plugin "family-tree" linked below is
nearly what I want.
http://familytree.tiddlyspot.com/
The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the
hierarchies increase,
Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him
about this?
I believe that there must be some other people who need this kind of plugin.
Anyway, thanks again for your kind reply. I would update this post if
I get any information from the author of the "family-tree".
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2017幎5月17日星期䞉 UTC+8䞋午8:09:35Stephen Wilson写道
Have you tried TidGraph?
https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
<https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5>
Might do what you're looking for.
Stephen
Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render
* aaaa
* bbbb
o sss
o ooo
* cccc
Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the
picture below is really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like "
***.tiddlyspace.com <http://tiddlyspace.com>" are out of date
so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.
Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a
horizontal tree just with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex
items like "root","branch", "entry" and so on.
Thank you!
BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the
"plantuml" plugin. They help me a lot.
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar
centered on the parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with
rather small lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cna27f0TpDI/UjGDPSIw6bI/AAAAAAAABPI/TwmxrPcrK9U/s1600/ParentNodes.png>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of
horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with
those branchy things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be
horizontal again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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Asimov Isaac
2017-05-21 00:59:54 UTC
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Yeah, it's really COOL!
You can also try to search some other keywords, or remove the "!" before
the "[system]".
And you can find more interesting and funny tips with the "list-links
Macro". This is embedded in TiddlyWiki.

Refer to the link below:
http://tiddlywiki.com/#list-links Macro
Post by Pit.W.
Just for the fun of it: I found this by accident.
the code below leads also to results. Could be quite powerful...
Or is it an "Easter egg" ?
Kind regards
Pit
<div class="family-tree">
*Tree
*Tree2
**<<list-links "[!is[system]search[child]]">>
</div>
Thank you for your nice advice.
Yes, I have installed Tidgraph before. It is really amazing.
But the disadvantage of Tidgraph is that the nodes must be tiddlers or the
filter operators of tiddlers.
What I want is that I do not need to create new tiddlers, and the nodes
are just some texts. Just like what you do in some mindmap softwares, such
as MindManager or XMind.
Or to be more accurate, the plugin "family-tree" linked below is nearly
what I want.
http://familytree.tiddlyspot.com/
The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the hierarchies
increase,
Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him about
this?
I believe that there must be some other people who need this kind of plugin.
Anyway, thanks again for your kind reply. I would update this post if I
get any information from the author of the "family-tree".
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2017幎5月17日星期䞉 UTC+8䞋午8:09:35Stephen Wilson写道
Post by Stephen Wilson
Have you tried TidGraph?
https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tidd
ler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
Might do what you're looking for.
Stephen
Post by Asimov Isaac
Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render vertical
- aaaa
- bbbb
- sss
- ooo
- cccc
Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the picture below
is really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like " ***.tiddlyspace.com" are
out of date so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.
Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a horizontal tree
just with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex items like "root","branch",
"entry" and so on.
Thank you!
BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the "plantuml"
plugin. They help me a lot.
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar centered on the
parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with rather small
lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cna27f0TpDI/UjGDPSIw6bI/AAAAAAAABPI/TwmxrPcrK9U/s1600/ParentNodes.png>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with those branchy
things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be horizontal
again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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2017-06-05 21:38:03 UTC
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Post by Asimov Isaac
Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him about
this?
Hi, I made "family-tree" but it's "more experimental than public". It was a
side project as I made http://listtree.tiddlyspot.com/


The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
Post by Asimov Isaac
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the hierarchies
increase,
I'd guess(!) it is possible to do it as a horizontal tree. I don't intend
to pick this up any time soon though but I am interested in the matter so,
one day.

Please feel free to dabble around (which is pretty much how I do it). And,
BTW, notice that it is all CSS based, no JS.

<:-)
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2017-06-05 23:19:13 UTC
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Ciao Mat

i maybe commented before that this and your great graphic family tree,
unfortunately does not work. This is because you are only depicting
UNI-linear descent. That's fine for some parts of the world, but Western
societies, on the whole, think in terms of BI-lateral descent (i.e. descent
is from TWO parents who need be depicted at the SAME level, not separated
in a hierarchy).

Its actually a more difficult problem than you at first might think.
TiddlyMap has exactly the same problem.:
http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20the%20Map%20Raster

Best wishes
Josiah
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Post by Asimov Isaac
Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him about
this?
Hi, I made "family-tree" but it's "more experimental than public". It was
a side project as I made http://listtree.tiddlyspot.com/
The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
Post by Asimov Isaac
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the hierarchies
increase,
I'd guess(!) it is possible to do it as a horizontal tree. I don't intend
to pick this up any time soon though but I am interested in the matter so,
one day.
Please feel free to dabble around (which is pretty much how I do it). And,
BTW, notice that it is all CSS based, no JS.
<:-)
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Christopher Arcadia
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I agree it is no so useful as a family tree but it would be great if we
could automatically visualize the tiddlers that share the same tag.

But as is, manually writing diagrams look out very nice using Mat's
stylesheet.
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Ciao Mat
i maybe commented before that this and your great graphic family tree,
unfortunately does not work. This is because you are only depicting
UNI-linear descent. That's fine for some parts of the world, but Western
societies, on the whole, think in terms of BI-lateral descent (i.e. descent
is from TWO parents who need be depicted at the SAME level, not separated
in a hierarchy).
Its actually a more difficult problem than you at first might think.
http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20the%20Map%20Raster
Best wishes
Josiah
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Post by Asimov Isaac
Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him
about this?
Hi, I made "family-tree" but it's "more experimental than public". It was
a side project as I made http://listtree.tiddlyspot.com/
The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
Post by Asimov Isaac
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the hierarchies
increase,
I'd guess(!) it is possible to do it as a horizontal tree. I don't intend
to pick this up any time soon though but I am interested in the matter so,
one day.
Please feel free to dabble around (which is pretty much how I do it).
And, BTW, notice that it is all CSS based, no JS.
<:-)
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K500 L501
2017-06-08 15:20:47 UTC
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"visualize the tiddlers that share the same tag" - wouldnt that be what
TidGraph is doing?

-Kilo

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:26 AM, Christopher Arcadia <
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I agree it is no so useful as a family tree but it would be great if we
could automatically visualize the tiddlers that share the same tag.
But as is, manually writing diagrams look out very nice using Mat's
stylesheet.
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Ciao Mat
i maybe commented before that this and your great graphic family tree,
unfortunately does not work. This is because you are only depicting
UNI-linear descent. That's fine for some parts of the world, but Western
societies, on the whole, think in terms of BI-lateral descent (i.e. descent
is from TWO parents who need be depicted at the SAME level, not separated
in a hierarchy).
Its actually a more difficult problem than you at first might think.
TiddlyMap has exactly the same problem.: http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20
the%20Map%20Raster
Best wishes
Josiah
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Post by Asimov Isaac
Maybe I could email the author of the "family-tree" and consult him
about this?
Hi, I made "family-tree" but it's "more experimental than public". It
was a side project as I made http://listtree.tiddlyspot.com/
The only weakness is that it only creates vertical trees, which is not
Post by Asimov Isaac
practical or handsome if you want to type in long texts or the hierarchies
increase,
I'd guess(!) it is possible to do it as a horizontal tree. I don't
intend to pick this up any time soon though but I am interested in the
matter so, one day.
Please feel free to dabble around (which is pretty much how I do it).
And, BTW, notice that it is all CSS based, no JS.
<:-)
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2017-06-08 17:40:00 UTC
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Ciao Chris

Totally agree. Mat's branching bubbles are visually awesome & have huge
utility.

The family tree problem is a big issue, but he should not get bogged in it.

J.
Post by Christopher Arcadia
I agree it is no so useful as a family tree but it would be great if we
could automatically visualize the tiddlers that share the same tag with
something like this.
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2017-06-05 09:49:38 UTC
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Just for the record: most of tiddlyspaces are accessible via the Web
Archive (example: [1]), although some are in outdated versions.

Best regards,
Yakov.

[1]
https://web.archive.org/web/20131219043836/http://treedg.tiddlyspace.com/
Post by Asimov Isaac
Hi, Tobias.
I have been looking for a *Horizontal *Tree plugin for a long time.
The plugins like "family-tree" or "list-tree" can only render vertical
- aaaa
- bbbb
- sss
- ooo
- cccc
Fortunately, I found your post here, and the style in the picture below is
really the one I keep dreaming of.
However, unfortunately, all the links like " ***.tiddlyspace.com" are out
of date so I cannot access them.
Everything about the "NodeTreePlugin" or "treedg" is missing.
Would you like to tell me where to find them?
Or could you give me some advice, so I could display a horizontal tree
just with <ul> and <li>, instead of complex items like "root","branch",
"entry" and so on.
Thank you!
BTW, I do love the plugins on your website, especially the "plantuml"
plugin. They help me a lot.
Best regards,
Asimov
2017.05
圚 2013幎9月12日星期四 UTC+8䞋午5:04:42Tobias Beer写道
Hi,
* Before any vertical bar, having an horizontal bar centered on the
parent node,
I second that, guess I'd like it to see it like this with rather small
lines, just the slightes visual clue...
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cna27f0TpDI/UjGDPSIw6bI/AAAAAAAABPI/TwmxrPcrK9U/s1600/ParentNodes.png>
* Having a syntax to do vertical diagrams instead of horizontal ones.
That's may be neat, too, but...
* it will result in a lot of horizontal scrolling
* it will require more of a quote style left border with those branchy
things
* I guess, any second third level, etc... would have to be horizontal
again for readability's sake
Best wishes, Tobias.
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