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[tw5] Very Basic Question before Using TW
Dis/loc
2018-05-25 10:38:21 UTC
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Hi all, I'm a complete n00b to TW, so I'm slowly wrapping my head around
the philosophy and potential uses.

Apologies if these issues have been addressed elsewhere, but I wanted to
ask this question before I invested too much time in it, in case my needs
are best met with some other tool.

I'm imagining a website where twiddlies are bits of non-linear narrative,
notes, quotes, etc. that can be explored in many different ways (links,
tags) and, over time, build up to a more ordered, linked-up 'final draft'
-- almost like a "process book" (in art-speak). This idea seems like its a
perfect fit for TW's non-linear/"Story River" functionality. But what I
don't understand is what happens after a TW (e.g. "empty.html") is uploaded
to a webhost. Can people still add or edit twiddlies? Is there a way to
turn that off? In fact, it would be great if there's a way to hide all
"backend" tools and just focus on the side bar and twiddlies. Is this
possible? I haven't seen any examples that show this.

And if this is possible, how would subsequent edits be made? Would I have
to re-upload the whole "empty.html" each time?

Is there a combination of plugins and themes that would allow me to do both
things: hide all "admin" or unnecessary tools so the visitor can focus on
the content while also allowing me to make additions directly into the file
already uploaded?

The closest thing I've seen to an answer is:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/IkT5EQFTBFY -- I'm just
wondering if there's something that is more robust and intended for the
usage I have in mind.

Thanks!
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David Gifford
2018-05-25 11:25:58 UTC
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Hi Dis/loc

I will let others answer more fully, but to give you short answers, if you
upload a single file TiddlyWiki, it is not affected by the temporary
changes users make online in their web browsers. When they try to leave the
page, they will see a message that they can't save their changes.

And yes, there are ways to hide most of the editing controls when the file
is viewed online. When you want to change it, you make the changes offline
and upload it again.

Hope that helps

Dave
Post by Dis/loc
Hi all, I'm a complete n00b to TW, so I'm slowly wrapping my head around
the philosophy and potential uses.
Apologies if these issues have been addressed elsewhere, but I wanted to
ask this question before I invested too much time in it, in case my needs
are best met with some other tool.
I'm imagining a website where twiddlies are bits of non-linear narrative,
notes, quotes, etc. that can be explored in many different ways (links,
tags) and, over time, build up to a more ordered, linked-up 'final draft'
-- almost like a "process book" (in art-speak). This idea seems like its a
perfect fit for TW's non-linear/"Story River" functionality. But what I
don't understand is what happens after a TW (e.g. "empty.html") is uploaded
to a webhost. Can people still add or edit twiddlies? Is there a way to
turn that off? In fact, it would be great if there's a way to hide all
"backend" tools and just focus on the side bar and twiddlies. Is this
possible? I haven't seen any examples that show this.
And if this is possible, how would subsequent edits be made? Would I have
to re-upload the whole "empty.html" each time?
Is there a combination of plugins and themes that would allow me to do
both things: hide all "admin" or unnecessary tools so the visitor can focus
on the content while also allowing me to make additions directly into the
file already uploaded?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/IkT5EQFTBFY -- I'm
just wondering if there's something that is more robust and intended for
the usage I have in mind.
Thanks!
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David Gifford
2018-05-25 11:35:50 UTC
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Sorry, I forgot you had the other questions at the end after I started
typing.

The link you provided is toTiddlyWiki classic, so that does not apply to
TiddlyWiki5

There are ways to host TiddlyWikis online so that you can edit them. But I
think that having it both ways (hiding editing controls AND editing online)
is not an ideal route. More ideal would be having your editable version, on
or offline, with the controls visible, in a separate location, then have a
way to update the user friendly version from that.

Another way is via GitHub, so you edit the tiddlers in Github but viewers
only see the finished product
Post by Dis/loc
Hi all, I'm a complete n00b to TW, so I'm slowly wrapping my head around
the philosophy and potential uses.
Apologies if these issues have been addressed elsewhere, but I wanted to
ask this question before I invested too much time in it, in case my needs
are best met with some other tool.
I'm imagining a website where twiddlies are bits of non-linear narrative,
notes, quotes, etc. that can be explored in many different ways (links,
tags) and, over time, build up to a more ordered, linked-up 'final draft'
-- almost like a "process book" (in art-speak). This idea seems like its a
perfect fit for TW's non-linear/"Story River" functionality. But what I
don't understand is what happens after a TW (e.g. "empty.html") is uploaded
to a webhost. Can people still add or edit twiddlies? Is there a way to
turn that off? In fact, it would be great if there's a way to hide all
"backend" tools and just focus on the side bar and twiddlies. Is this
possible? I haven't seen any examples that show this.
And if this is possible, how would subsequent edits be made? Would I have
to re-upload the whole "empty.html" each time?
Is there a combination of plugins and themes that would allow me to do
both things: hide all "admin" or unnecessary tools so the visitor can focus
on the content while also allowing me to make additions directly into the
file already uploaded?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/IkT5EQFTBFY -- I'm
just wondering if there's something that is more robust and intended for
the usage I have in mind.
Thanks!
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Dis/loc
2018-05-25 13:14:44 UTC
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Thanks David! That makes a lot of sense.
Post by David Gifford
Sorry, I forgot you had the other questions at the end after I started
typing.
The link you provided is toTiddlyWiki classic, so that does not apply to
TiddlyWiki5
There are ways to host TiddlyWikis online so that you can edit them. But I
think that having it both ways (hiding editing controls AND editing online)
is not an ideal route. More ideal would be having your editable version, on
or offline, with the controls visible, in a separate location, then have a
way to update the user friendly version from that.
Another way is via GitHub, so you edit the tiddlers in Github but viewers
only see the finished product
Post by Dis/loc
Hi all, I'm a complete n00b to TW, so I'm slowly wrapping my head around
the philosophy and potential uses.
Apologies if these issues have been addressed elsewhere, but I wanted to
ask this question before I invested too much time in it, in case my needs
are best met with some other tool.
I'm imagining a website where twiddlies are bits of non-linear narrative,
notes, quotes, etc. that can be explored in many different ways (links,
tags) and, over time, build up to a more ordered, linked-up 'final draft'
-- almost like a "process book" (in art-speak). This idea seems like its a
perfect fit for TW's non-linear/"Story River" functionality. But what I
don't understand is what happens after a TW (e.g. "empty.html") is uploaded
to a webhost. Can people still add or edit twiddlies? Is there a way to
turn that off? In fact, it would be great if there's a way to hide all
"backend" tools and just focus on the side bar and twiddlies. Is this
possible? I haven't seen any examples that show this.
And if this is possible, how would subsequent edits be made? Would I have
to re-upload the whole "empty.html" each time?
Is there a combination of plugins and themes that would allow me to do
both things: hide all "admin" or unnecessary tools so the visitor can focus
on the content while also allowing me to make additions directly into the
file already uploaded?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/IkT5EQFTBFY -- I'm
just wondering if there's something that is more robust and intended for
the usage I have in mind.
Thanks!
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s***@gmail.com
2018-05-25 12:20:00 UTC
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Hi,
Can people still add or edit twiddlies? Is there a way to turn that off?
In fact, it would be great if there's a way to hide all "backend" tools and
just focus on the side bar and twiddlies. Is this possible? I haven't seen
any examples that show this.
Maybe my "ToggleAdmin" Tiddler could
help: http://stefct-resources.tiddlyspot.com/#ToggleAdmin:ToggleAdmin%20%24%3A%2Ftools%2FToggleAdmin

Cheers,

Stef
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Dis/loc
2018-05-25 13:15:05 UTC
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Thanks! I'll have a look.
Post by s***@gmail.com
Hi,
Can people still add or edit twiddlies? Is there a way to turn that off?
In fact, it would be great if there's a way to hide all "backend" tools and
just focus on the side bar and twiddlies. Is this possible? I haven't seen
any examples that show this.
http://stefct-resources.tiddlyspot.com/#ToggleAdmin:ToggleAdmin%20%24%3A%2Ftools%2FToggleAdmin
Cheers,
Stef
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