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[tw] Saving in Safari
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Sergei Gerasenko
2017-07-23 15:02:43 UTC
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Hi,

I'm running Safari 10.1.1. According to this Saving on Safari
<http://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520on%2520Safari.html>, I should get
a dialog when trying to save on Safari, I don't :( Sorry if this is an FAQ.

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Sergei
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Sergei Gerasenko
2017-07-23 15:04:40 UTC
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The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad
when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be
overwritten.
Post by Sergei Gerasenko
Hi,
I'm running Safari 10.1.1. According to this Saving on Safari
<http://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520on%2520Safari.html>, I should
get a dialog when trying to save on Safari, I don't :( Sorry if this is an
FAQ.
Thanks,
Sergei
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TonyM
2017-07-24 08:02:51 UTC
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Sergie,

I have not attempted to get tiddlywiki to save on safarie but I have just
installed firefox and the plugin tiddlyfox on my mac mini and that works.
Also I installed node.js on the MAC and that should work from within safari,

Regards
Tony
Post by Sergei Gerasenko
The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad
when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be
overwritten.
Post by Sergei Gerasenko
Hi,
I'm running Safari 10.1.1. According to this Saving on Safari
<http://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520on%2520Safari.html>, I should
get a dialog when trying to save on Safari, I don't :( Sorry if this is an
FAQ.
Thanks,
Sergei
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@TiddlyTweeter
2017-07-24 09:16:24 UTC
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Ciao Sergei

As far as I am aware, Safari has never had "overwrite saving". To do it
you'd need an add-on for TiddlyWiki and Safari hasn't got one.

In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple
overwrite saving by early 2018.

To understand what is happening read:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/4yyMPH-0hXg/SjIOy7aeAgAJ

There are a number of solutions. But if you are an ordinary user then
switching to Firefox is likely you best bet at the moment.

Regards
Josiah
Post by Sergei Gerasenko
The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad
when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be
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Jeremy Ruston
2017-07-24 09:22:07 UTC
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Until sometime in the last few months, Safari didn’t support directly downloading changes; instead one had to right click and save a base64 generated URL. Safari does now handle the downloads properly, so the standard HTML5 fallback saver now works OK on Safari.
As far as I am aware, Safari has never had "overwrite saving". To do it you'd need an add-on for TiddlyWiki and Safari hasn't got one.
It wouldn’t need to be a TiddlyWiki-specific addon. There are addons for Chrome that force downloads to overwrite the previous file, and these work well with TiddlyWiki.
In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple overwrite saving by early 2018.
It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest versions of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.

Best wishes

Jeremy.
To understand what is happening read: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/4yyMPH-0hXg/SjIOy7aeAgAJ
There are a number of solutions. But if you are an ordinary user then switching to Firefox is likely you best bet at the moment.
Regards
Josiah
The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be overwritten.
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PMario
2017-07-24 10:13:27 UTC
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In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple
overwrite saving by early 2018.
It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest
versions of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.
Do you have links for those plugins?, that are tested with latest FF or
nightly FF?

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@TiddlyTweeter
2017-07-24 10:49:15 UTC
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Ciao PMario & Jeremy

I believe Jeremy was referring to the Chrome Overwrite Saver
<https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/downloads-overwrite-alrea/lddjgfpjnifpeondafidennlcfagekbp>

IF its a Web Extension that would be good news. *If its an "app", it too
will be retired if Google go ahead with their 2018 plans*.

My overall feel is that we don't need to panic. In fact TiddlyWiki
stalwarts will do fine with work like TiddlyServer & Noteself shaping up,
as well as other approaches emerging.

HOWEVER, for average, normal users, the increasing difficultly of simple
overwrite saving is, I think, a big issue, that will grow. I think it
limits uptake of TW. Which is a great shame IMO.

Josiah
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TiddlyTweeter wrote: In addition you should note that ALL standard
browsers will cease simple overwrite saving by early 2018.
It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest
versions of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.
Do you have links for those plugins?, that are tested with latest FF or
nightly FF?
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Jeremy Ruston
2017-07-24 11:33:13 UTC
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It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest versions of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.
Do you have links for those plugins?, that are tested with latest FF or nightly FF?
I’ve been focusing on Chrome extensions, on the basis that Firefox is striving for compatibility; developing against Chrome would appear to give us the broadest reach. I’ve been studying the “Downloads Overwrite Existing Files” sample, which appears at the bottom of this listing:

https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/samples#search:downloads <https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/samples#search:downloads>

Best wishes

Jeremy
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2017-07-24 14:30:49 UTC
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The current download saver promises to remember the last download
directory. But the chrome extensions may limit you to the download
directory and subdirectories. At least one of those in the link says ..

Absolute paths, empty paths, and paths containing back-references ".." will
be ignored.


If it only saves to a sub-directory of the downloads directory, that would
be inconvenient.

I'm still wondering if a more natural solution might be a shell script
(different script for each platform) that would find the most recent TW
file (based on stem name), save it to the the target working directory, and
launch it. For the rest of the session, the user would work and save as
usual.

Mark
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Ton Gerner
2017-07-24 15:22:16 UTC
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Hi Mark & All,
Post by 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
If it only saves to a sub-directory of the downloads directory, that
would be inconvenient.

Linux Mint 17.3, Chrome 59, Extension "Downloads Overwrite Existing Files".

Chrome saves to my own directory set in Advanced settings.

Cheers,

Ton
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@TiddlyTweeter
2017-07-24 15:37:51 UTC
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Ciao Ton

If you have only one TW, or are happy to have them all in one dir, this
will work great.

I sometimes feel spoiled with Tiddlyfox in FF with 7 TW all in very
different places. But *SHOULD* I?

Or should I feel pissed-off that in the future keeping MY structure is
gonna become a PITA?

Josiah :-)
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Chrome saves to my own directory set in Advanced settings.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2017-07-24 15:41:57 UTC
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Hi Ton,

Not sure what you're saying. Yes, you can change the download directory.
But I keep my TW files in directories far away from the download directory.
So I would either have to change the downloads directory whenever using TW
or constantly be moving downloaded files out of the TW directory. Or use
the save-as option, in which case I'll probably turn off auto-save ... and
occasionally lose stuff.

"I guess every form of refuge has it's price" - Eagles - Lyin' Eyes

Thanks,
Mark
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Hi Mark & All,
Post by 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
If it only saves to a sub-directory of the downloads directory, that
would be inconvenient.
Linux Mint 17.3, Chrome 59, Extension "Downloads Overwrite Existing Files".
Chrome saves to my own directory set in Advanced settings.
Cheers,
Ton
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2017-07-24 15:24:02 UTC
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Ciao Mark S.

Be glad you can get it to save to a (sort-of) user designated directory ...
the last implementation *only* allowed saving to the default download
directory. I'm referencing here the actual add-on at Chrome Webstore
<https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/downloads-overwrite-alrea/lddjgfpjnifpeondafidennlcfagekbp>
... I'm not sure what the tech underneath permits in potentio.

The big issue with Chromelonger term is whether its going to dump Apps ...
which its says it *IS* going to do ... provisionally early 2018. The
problem is that APIs on WebExtensions--i.e. what lives on--are essentially
directly, at the moment, seriously antipathetic to direct overwrite saving
of ANY kind. That's my understanding. I may be wrong, I HOPE I am, but I
never seen anyone assert otherwise.

Josiah
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The current download saver promises to remember the last download
directory. But the chrome extensions may limit you to the download
directory and subdirectories.
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Eneko Gotzon
2017-07-24 21:27:40 UTC
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I’ve been studying the “Downloads Overwrite Existing Files” sample

​Thank all you ​for all your work.

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Sergei Gerasenko
2017-07-24 15:46:06 UTC
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Thanks for the responses. I’m now testing a solution with Hammerspoon (which works only on Mac), but basically it allows me to watch the Downloads directory and run a custom action. The action can be renaming those -1,-2 files or copying the latest one somewhere.

Before, I was using Chrome and an extension to overwrite previously downloaded files.
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Ciao Sergei
As far as I am aware, Safari has never had "overwrite saving". To do it you'd need an add-on for TiddlyWiki and Safari hasn't got one.
In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple overwrite saving by early 2018.
To understand what is happening read: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/4yyMPH-0hXg/SjIOy7aeAgAJ
There are a number of solutions. But if you are an ordinary user then switching to Firefox is likely you best bet at the moment.
Regards
Josiah
The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be overwritten.
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'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
2017-07-24 16:28:08 UTC
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That's a good idea too. Unfortunately, the only solutions I could find for
windows so far are commercial.

Mark
Post by Sergei Gerasenko
Thanks for the responses. I’m now testing a solution with Hammerspoon
(which works only on Mac), but basically it allows me to watch the
Downloads directory and run a custom action. The action can be renaming
those -1,-2 files or copying the latest one somewhere.
Before, I was using Chrome and an extension to overwrite previously downloaded files.
Ciao Sergei
As far as I am aware, Safari has never had "overwrite saving". To do it
you'd need an add-on for TiddlyWiki and Safari hasn't got one.
In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple
overwrite saving by early 2018.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/4yyMPH-0hXg/SjIOy7aeAgAJ
There are a number of solutions. But if you are an ordinary user then
switching to Firefox is likely you best bet at the moment.
Regards
Josiah
Post by Sergei Gerasenko
The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad
when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be
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Ton Gerner
2017-07-24 17:43:34 UTC
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Hi Josiah & Mark,

Most of my TWs are scattered over a separate HD and/or Dropbox.
In Dropbox I use a TW5 folder (and a few subfolders)
Mainly I use Firefox with TiddlyFox. For uploading my guides to TiddlySpot
I use Chrome.
Sometimes I use TiddlyDesktop (handy to have a different TW open next to
the one in Firefox) and node.js (I still don't see the benefits for my
normal use).

In short: the Firefox/Tiddlyfox combination works the best for me.

I just tried Chrome with "Downloads Overwrite Existing Files" to see if I
could use another directory than the download directory (where Mark had his
doubts about).
I changed the download location to my TW5 Dropbox folder which than works
for (auto)saving TW.
For sure it is only handy when you stick to one folder otherwise you cannot
use autosave in Chrome.

Cheers,

Ton
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